6 team playoff

Deep Creek · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
It serves the same purpose without all that utter bullshit about autobids. I'd be in favor of it.

Only if the winners of certain bowls aren't guaranteed a CFP spot. Then you have dual conference auto bids.

Codaxx · Oct 15, 2018

4down20 said:
But it does and you can demonstrate it. Especially if it includes AQ.

I mean the closest thing I've seen to a game not mattering was the SECCG in 2016 between Alabama and Florida. Even if Alabama had lost that game, they would have been in IMO.

Those will become more common when you add games.

Alabama last year - most years that will not be good enough. The previous 3 years Alabama would have been left out. Just so happened that others did worse that year. Add more teams, suddenly it is.

Add in 8 teams and Alabama is in every playoff since like 2008 probably, 2010 being the only possible expection(and it's funny because that team probably could have won it that year after everyone got back at the end of the year, but that's football).

There is really no denying that adding more games rewards teams for doing less and that means you are taking away from the meaning of the regular season.

You mean like having a weak schedule and not winning your division? That would suck if that started to happen

Across The Field · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
Adding more teams to the existing format for sure would add 9-3 teams getting in.

Seriously, whoever is going to win the Pac this year shouldn't be in any playoff. Not 4, not 6, and not 8. It's a bad league this year.

I don't know if I'd say that by year's end. I don't know that it would for sure add 9-3 teams getting in, but it's certainly possible I guess. There are down years. I wouldn't mind a 10-3 team that lost in the CCG, though.

The PAC desperately needs Texas to win the Big 12 and USC to win out IMO. If that was the case (including beating ND), USC would be sitting nice by bowl season.

WizardHawk · Oct 15, 2018

Deep Creek said:
Only if the winners of certain bowls aren't guaranteed a CFP spot. Then you have dual conference auto bids.

Well yeah, I'm not in favor of auto bid anything.

But what 4d20/saban were referencing would ultimately give a much better chance to a mid major given that the top G5 team is typically in one of the bigger bowls and would have that chance against a top rated team to make a case.

UCF AFTER beating Auburn would have a strong case to being in that top 4.

Ickey Shuffle · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
If mid-major is offensive to you then there is no more fair description that wouldn't be. They are middle of the major tier. It's a descriptor. In size, resources, and so many more measures outside of football record it is simply an accurate term.

UW isn't a mid-major, but they aren't a blue blood either and you don't see any of our fans being outraged that they aren't on that tier. It's simply reality.

Deal with it.

Washington is in the PAC 12, which is considered a power conference. Of course you all are not outrage. If Washington were to somehow run the table this year, they would be in the playoffs even though the conference is worse than the AAC.

All because of a P5 label.

WizardHawk · Oct 15, 2018

Across The Field said:
I don't know if I'd say that by year's end. I don't know that it would for sure add 9-3 teams getting in, but it's certainly possible I guess. There are down years. I wouldn't mind a 10-3 team that lost in the CCG, though.

The PAC desperately needs Texas to win the Big 12 and USC to win out IMO. If that was the case (including beating ND), USC would be sitting nice by bowl season.

I've watched every Pac team. None of us are that good. USC has quite a few flaws, particularly on offense. Oregon has a weak defense and a good QB that is prone to making mistakes. UW can't get it's offense together and has a shit kicker. Colorado is garbage. WSU still doesn't have a defense you can fear. Utah is a complete joke on offense.

There isn't one of them that would win a major bowl right now.

Deep Creek · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
You are talking about teams worth hundreds of millions of dollars with mega media machines going against teams worth a few million at most often in remote and smaller rural areas with far less draw for that almighty recruit.

There isn't any way to bring things closer together. If they broke it up into two leagues even UTEP would have a legit chance to find a better coach and put a run together to win it. It would put truly every one of the current 130 teams in a position to control their own competitiveness and chances to reach a playoff.

I agree. But, from what I've read, the biggest opposition to doing so comes from two camps. One is some of the G5s themselves. They don't think they could make as much revenue from their own playoffs as what they are getting from the current set up. The other camp opposing it are the bottom rungs of the P5 conferences. While it definitely wouldn't hurt them revenue wise, they are afraid they'd lose some of the 2nd tier recruits to the better G5 schools. I think that happens right now between the bottom rung of the G5s and the top teams in the FCS. Sam Houston State probably gets as good a recruits as we do...maybe better.

WizardHawk · Oct 15, 2018

Trench Mob said:
Washington is in the PAC 12, which is considered a power conference. Of course you all are not outrage. If Washington were to somehow run the table this year, they would be in the playoffs even though the conference is worse than the AAC.

All because of a P5 label.

You have issues. Seek help.

No, they wouldn't be automatically in, but there is no fix for what fans of the G5 wants. They should split off and crown their own champions. It solves so much.

You know damned well it won't happen and why? Because every single G5 relies on the handouts they get from the CFP revenue sharing system. They wouldn't make it without that money. Even if there's little hope any have a real chance at fighting for a championship against a P5 team.

WizardHawk · Oct 15, 2018

Deep Creek said:
I agree. But, from what I've read, the biggest opposition to doing so comes from two camps. One is some of the G5s themselves. They don't think they could make as much revenue from their own playoffs as what they are getting from the current set up. The other camp opposing it are the bottom rungs of the P5 conferences. While it definitely wouldn't hurt them revenue wise, they are afraid they'd lose some of the 2nd tier recruits to the better G5 schools. I think that happens right now between the bottom rung of the G5s and the top teams in the FCS. Sam Houston State probably gets as good a recruits as we do...maybe better.

Yes, both of those are true. The part about revenue is why we still have 130 and it won't be changing. It would, however, fix so many of these issues if they found a way to make it happen.

Deep Creek · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
Well yeah, I'm not in favor of auto bid anything.

But what 4d20/saban were referencing would ultimately give a much better chance to a mid major given that the top G5 team is typically in one of the bigger bowls and would have that chance against a top rated team to make a case.

UCF AFTER beating Auburn would have a strong case to being in that top 4.

It would also give an additional "quality" data point for the CFP to consider. That might help provide further clarity. It also might muddy the water but I'd love to see that!

Like I say, as long as it didn't offically or unofficaily give an auto bid to certain bowl game winners, I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Ickey Shuffle · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
You have issues. Seek help.

No, they wouldn't be automatically in, but there is no fix for what fans of the G5 wants. They should split off and crown their own champions. It solves so much.

You know damned well it won't happen and why? Because every single G5 relies on the handouts they get from the CFP revenue sharing system. They wouldn't make it without that money. Even if there's little hope any have a real chance at fighting for a championship against a P5 team.

I thought this was just a normal conversation. Your the one who seem like you got an attitude lol.

And here I thought it was rough when the old Big East was together...

TheRobotDevil · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
there is no fix for what fans of the G5 wants. They should split off and crown their own champions. It solves so much.

there's little hope any have a real chance at fighting for a championship against a P5 team.

8 game play offs 5 conference champions,G5 champion and two at large bids

I cant say a G5 team wouldn't have a fighting chance. UCF disproved that last year beating Auburn. The team that beat Bama and UGA. Theres a reason the NCAA had to recognize UCF as co champions. I'm a fan of a P5 team theres a glaring need for change imo

Go 6 to 8 decide the play offs on the field including G5.Rather than rankings and opinions. I don't think "champions" are decided by a committee. If teams want in without a conference championship go to an 8 game play off with two at large

"Mid Majors" are still FBS its not like we're talking sub divisions like FCS who FBS teams shouldn't even be playing.

WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE · Oct 15, 2018

Fitbud said:
I'm sure this has come up before but why doesnt' the NCAA got to a 6 team playoff.

Take the P5 conference champions and one at large bid for the highest ranked Mid Major or Independent team.

By doing this, you could put importance back into a conference championship which would in effect be another playoff game.

I've always hated the fact that conference champions don't always end up in the playoff. This way all 5 conference champions get it. The committee could rank them 1 thru 5 with the top 2 getting first round byes.

Don't like it at all. And here's why:

1. College football has 10 conferences, not 5. Everybody should be eligible for the playoffs, not just teams with special tags.

2. By the logic of that format, Alabama would be left out of the playoffs in 2011 and 2017 and replaced with 10-2 TCU and UCF. That means in 2016, Western Michigan replaces Ohio State. That means in 2011, that 12-1 NIU gets in over 11-1 Florida and 11-1 Oregon.

3. Who would pick the wild card? A computer, pollster, who?

4. What do you mean by "bye week"? Army-Navy has one weekend reserved purely for them, and no AD or conference commissioner is going to argue that teams should be playing a week after conference championship weekend. The problem with six is that every team will get at least two weeks off after CC Saturday to rest up and study for those all important exams. Bye weeks work perfectly in the NFL because week 17 and Wildcard weekend are back-to-back. The top 2 seeds get an extra week of rest. In college football, everybody will be getting a rest.

My idea is much better: Go to 8 teams. The top 5 highest rated conference champions gets in, and the 3 highest rated wildcards gets in too.

The system would guarantee that at least 5 CCs play for a national championship, and teams like Notre Dame and brilliant at-large teams gets in.

I would much rather have Colley Matrix, Anderson & Hester, or Wolfe pick the rating order than a bunch of humans.

Codaxx · Oct 15, 2018

Across The Field said:
They've got a better chance of somehow making 8 teams work, I'd guess. Plus that's even more money the families of these kids are having to shell out. Like OSU would have to travel to Pasadena, then fly down to New Orleans before finishing up in Dallas or something. Doesn't make much sense.

I would love 12. 4 top teams get a bye and 8 teams play to get the right to play the 4. Gives a huge advantage to the 4 teams with byes. If you can win 3 straight weeks as the 12 seed, you deserve a NC. I am happy to make a rule that only Conference Champs are eligible for a Bye

4down20 · Oct 15, 2018

Codaxx said:
You mean like having a weak schedule and not winning your division? That would suck if that started to happen

Good thing it's not going to happen because the people in charge are smarter than you.

cwalke3408 · Oct 15, 2018

Fitbud said:
Just about every year there has been controversy. We wouldn't be having this discussion if something unfair didn't happen every year. Last year Alabama got in and they didn't even win their own division. They didn't even play in a conference championship.

How does a team win the national championship when they didn't even win their own conference?

Controversy makes money

Across The Field · Oct 15, 2018

WizardHawk said:
I've watched every Pac team. None of us are that good. USC has quite a few flaws, particularly on offense. Oregon has a weak defense and a good QB that is prone to making mistakes. UW can't get it's offense together and has a shit kicker. Colorado is garbage. WSU still doesn't have a defense you can fear. Utah is a complete joke on offense.

There isn't one of them that would win a major bowl right now.

I don't know that you can't say that sort of stuff about the majority of the teams in the nation after this last weekend, honestly.

Innermind · Oct 15, 2018

I'm happy with 4, but I understand the money angle of increasing to 6 teams... so going to 6 teams would not upset me......

However, if it does eventually go to 6 teams....no auto-bids... simply take the top 6 committee ranked teams with 1 and 2 being rewarded a bye, and 3 and 4 being rewarded with home stadium first round playoff games.
If 3 of those 6 happen to come from the SEC, and 2 of the 6 from the B1G, fine...... again simply take the top 6.

I think the bigger issue in college football is the ongoing clusterfuck of each conference doing whatever they want. College football is not broken, but I believe college football would be improved if the 5 power conference commissioners formed a coalition and agreed to a unified set of rules (And fuck the NCAA). Here are some rules I would like to see agreed upon by all P5 conferences:

-everybody must schedule at least 10 P5 opponents, with each conference still having the freedom to schedule either 8 or 9 conference games..... so if you schedule only 8 conference games, then you must also schedule at least 2 P5 OOC opponents.... and if you schedule 9 conference games, then you must only schedule at least 1 P5 OOC opponent. Notice I state 'schedule', not 'play' because weather cancellations are becoming more frequent... if a weather cancellation forces a P5 school to play a make-up game vs Incarnate Word, that's OK.... emergencies happen.

-No independents.... everybody must be conference affiliated.... in other words, force Notre Dame to join a conference. BYU needs to get their ass in the Big 12 too.

-The P5 and G5 separate when it comes to playoffs.... in other words, the G5 holds their own playoff and natty. They still remain FBS in regards to other Bowls still being mixed between P5 and G5. I would look forward to many service academy natty's.

-Get rid of divisions.... the two best teams in the conference simply play in the conference championship game. Division-less conferences would allow P5 conferences to expand to an odd number of members if they wish (11 or 13 or 15 member conferences would be fine). Division-less conference members would protect one or two important/traditional in-conference rivalries and simply rotate playing the other members of their conference on a more frequent basis.

-Of course all P5 conferences would also agree to a unified set of recruiting and transfer rules.

It wouldn't take geniuses to enact the above policies.... the P5 conference commissioners would just need to suppress their egos a bit, and form a 5-man coalition/counsel to get everybody on-board and going in the same direction.

But again..... if the playoff eventually increases to 6 teams...... NO AUTO BIDS.

WizardHawk · Oct 15, 2018

Across The Field said:
I don't know that you can't say that sort of stuff about the majority of the teams in the nation after this last weekend, honestly.

There is some truth to that. But I'd likely guess there are some 2nd and maybe even 3rd place teams more impressive than anything in the Pac right now. The only 1 loss teams right now are Colorado, Oregon, and WSU. There's pretty much no chance any of them will win out. And of course if Oregon did they might end up with only 1 ranked team on their entire schedule.

Even if it's not this year, sooner or later a 3 loss team will win a major conference and that's insane to give them any sort of playoff berth. Not with so many more qualified teams available.

cwalke3408 · Oct 15, 2018

Innermind said:
I'm happy with 4, but I understand the money angle of increasing to 6 teams... so going to 6 teams would not upset me......

However, if it does eventually go to 6 teams....no auto-bids... simply take the top 6 committee ranked teams with 1 and 2 being rewarded a bye, and 3 and 4 being rewarded with home stadium first round playoff games.
If 3 of those 6 happen to come from the SEC, and 2 of the 6 from the B1G, fine...... again simply take the top 6.

I think the bigger issue in college football is the ongoing clusterfuck of each conference doing whatever they want. College football is not broken, but I believe college football would be improved if the 5 power conference commissioners formed a coalition and agreed to a unified set of rules (And fuck the NCAA). Here are some rules I would like to see agreed upon by all P5 conferences:

-everybody must schedule at least 10 P5 opponents, with each conference still having the freedom to schedule either 8 or 9 conference games..... so if you schedule only 8 conference games, then you must also schedule at least 2 P5 OOC opponents.... and if you schedule 9 conference games, then you must only schedule at least 1 P5 OOC opponent. Notice I state 'schedule', not 'play' because weather cancellations are becoming more frequent... if a weather cancellation forces a P5 school to play a make-up game vs Incarnate Word, that's OK.... emergencies happen.

-No independents.... everybody must be conference affiliated.... in other words, force Notre Dame to join a conference. BYU needs to get their ass in the Big 12 too.

-The P5 and G5 separate when it comes to playoffs.... in other words, the G5 holds their own playoff and natty. They still remain FBS in regards to other Bowls still being mixed between P5 and G5. I would look forward to many service academy natty's.

-Get rid of divisions.... the two best teams in the conference simply play in the conference championship game. Division-less conferences would allow P5 conferences to expand to an odd number of members if they wish (11 or 13 or 15 member conferences would be fine). Division-less conference members would protect one of two important/traditional in-conference rivalries and simply rotate playing the other members of their conference on a more frequent basis.

-Of course all P5 conferences would also agree to a unified set of recruiting and transfer rules.

It wouldn't take geniuses to enact the above policies.... the P5 conference commissioners would just need to suppress their egos a bit, and form a 5-man coalition/counsel to get everybody on-board and going in the same direction.

But again..... if the playoff eventually increases to 6 teams...... NO AUTO BIDS.

There's more important things to tweak in college football than just expanding the playoffs.
I think the first thing on the list should be no more FCS games.

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