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Have they ever been done before bowl season? :noidea:

He meant all teams play bowl games like normal, Rose Bowl = Big10 vs Pac12 actual winners etc. Then the playoff teams are chosen after based on those results and the games get played.
 

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He meant all teams play bowl games like normal, Rose Bowl = Big10 vs Pac12 actual winners etc. Then the playoff teams are chosen after based on those results and the games get played.
I'm assuming he just wants to restore the sanctity of the major bowl games or something? Otherwise it seems like that'd just be like the current playoff system more or less.
 

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And it's not always going to be the SEC either. Oklahoma/Texas and Michigan/Ohio St back in the 2000's, etc.
Yes, and sooner or later the Pac will rise again and maybe two of them will be top 4 worthy.

ACC could have a run at it with FSU and Clemson or some other team we aren't talking about right now.

The current system has complete flexibility to attempt to give the 4 BEST teams in the land a chance at the title. It makes the eventual winner have to beat 2 of the other 3 to take it. We have CCG's that add one last test before selection and incentives for teams to not play shit schedules.

Expanded playoffs would inevitably put crappy maybe even 3 loss teams in and leaving much better 1 loss teams at home so that we can attempt to feel better about whoever the next Boise State or UCF is.

It's just dumb.
 

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I'm assuming he just wants to restore the sanctity of the major bowl games or something? Otherwise it seems like that'd just be like the current playoff system more or less.
Wow, he's saying you get yet one more round of games before making that final 4 list. That's a lot more very high level games added just like another full round of playoffs.
 

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I'm assuming he just wants to restore the sanctity of the major bowl games or something? Otherwise it seems like that'd just be like the current playoff system more or less.

I don't know, it would be an extra data point before selecting the teams either way which would be good. But unless you move the games up like 2 weeks and shit, it seems like it would really drag the season on.

It will never happen.
 

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Wow, he's saying you get yet one more round of games before making that final 4 list. That's a lot more very high level games added just like another full round of playoffs.
Right, that's why it seems odd.
 

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I don't know, it would be an extra data point before selecting the teams either way which would be good. But unless you move the games up like 2 weeks and shit, it seems like it would really drag the season on.

It will never happen.
They've got a better chance of somehow making 8 teams work, I'd guess. Plus that's even more money the families of these kids are having to shell out. Like OSU would have to travel to Pasadena, then fly down to New Orleans before finishing up in Dallas or something. Doesn't make much sense.
 

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Out of conference games are already irrelevant. How many times has Alabama won the National Championship after playing crappy non conference games.


Ohio State made the playoffs in 2016 over a team they lost to in their own division that was actually the conference champ and in large part it was due to the dismantling of Big12 champion Oklahoma in a non conference game.
And last year Bama got in over Ohio State

OSU OOC last year P% Oklahoma (play off team), Army ( considered a P5 Indy) UNLV mid Major

Alabamas OOC last year Fresno State,Colorado State and Mercer FCS

a 6-6 FSU neutral site which is a result of playing a 9 game conference schedule.......

Just like OSU over PSU was a "committee decision"in 2016

Alabama was a "committee decision" last year

Rankings are subjective AP and Coaches polls aren't reliable

Ohio State played a much more difficult schedule. They were basically punished for playing a higher level of competition. OOC SOS is already watered down in this system. Add UCF beating Auburn and it being more difficult to win a CCG than coast through an easy schedule and play on the rankings

Expansion makes a lot of sense. At least 6 maybe 8. Let the teams earn it on the field. If anything it increases actual competition. And hopefully raises OOC from the 4 game OOC teams
 

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Right, that's why it seems odd.
Why is that odd? Instead of deciding who the top 4 are after 12-13 games, it's 13-14 games with the bowls and bowl tie ins and all of the typically great match ups giving you that much more information before making those final parings.

If so many want expanded playoffs anyway, what's wrong with simply moving the playoffs back a couple of weeks and using the bowls as another round? It serves the same purpose without all that utter bullshit about autobids. I'd be in favor of it.
 

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Why is that odd? Instead of deciding who the top 4 are after 12-13 games, it's 13-14 games with the bowls and bowl tie ins and all of the typically great match ups giving you that much more information before making those final parings.

If so many want expanded playoffs anyway, what's wrong with simply moving the playoffs back a couple of weeks and using the bowls as another round? It serves the same purpose without all that utter bullshit about autobids. I'd be in favor of it.
Then why stop there? Why not have the bowls, find out who the top teams were in the top bowl games, have them play a round robin, and whoever is left is in the actual playoffs? Then we'd REALLY find out who the elite teams are. And your national champ would have like a 17-1 record or something. The title game champs can get back to campus just in time for Valentine's Day.
 

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Then why stop there? Why not have the bowls, find out who the top teams were in the top bowl games, have them play a round robin, and whoever is left is in the actual playoffs? Then we'd REALLY find out who the elite teams are. And your national champ would have like a 17-1 record or something. The title game champs can get back to campus just in time for Valentine's Day.
Anything that happened post bowl season is fine by me, but honestly I don't think it's necessary. The bowls themselves almost make it a 12+ team first round and eye test+resume for the top 4. It seems more than reasonable to me.
 

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Anything that happened post bowl season is fine by me, but honestly I don't think it's necessary. The bowls themselves almost make it a 12+ team first round and eye test+resume for the top 4. It seems more than reasonable to me.
I mean, we've got 13 regular season games for the good teams if they go to their CCG. If anything, add a few more spots in the playoffs and be done. You don't need some 9-3 team finishing 10th playing for a title.
 

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No, they shouldn't have.

Mid majors should be in their own division with their own championship.

Nope. What does mid major even mean? I can't stand that term.

This sounds like G5 teams being treated like they're FCS teams. Which is backhand compliment bullshit because we're all FBS. UCF is just about as solid as any team in college football minus Alabama and they should be rewarded as such if they run the table.

Hypothetically if Cincinnati were to beat a top 5 UCF team on the road, they still wouldn't get many recognition from the committee. This is officially worse than the BCS.
 

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Awww they have to play 2 tough games in a row? Poor guys. I’m not saying other conferences make it easy on teams, I’m saying the pac 12 seems to actively dump on its teams.
Talk about being treated like a red headed step child by the conference.... When I saw West Virginia's schedule, I was wondering who they pissed off at the Big 12 HQ. The last four weeks of the year are @Texas, TCU, @ Okie Lite and Oklahoma.

But, Okie Lite and TCU have turned to shit so it may not be all that bad.

And LSU has a four game stretch of Florida, Georgia, Miss State and Alabama. But they have a bye before Bama so that looks like the SEC office both screwed them over and treated them like a favorite by granting their bye date request.
 

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No, they shouldn't have.

Mid majors should be in their own division with their own championship.
Yep. The stars will never align for them to make it to the CFP. It is mathematically possible, but carnage would have to reign everywhere...and all at the same time.
 

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I mean, we've got 13 regular season games for the good teams if they go to their CCG. If anything, add a few more spots in the playoffs and be done. You don't need some 9-3 team finishing 10th playing for a title.
Adding more teams to the existing format for sure would add 9-3 teams getting in.

Seriously, whoever is going to win the Pac this year shouldn't be in any playoff. Not 4, not 6, and not 8. It's a bad league this year.
 

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Yep. The stars will never align for them to make it to the CFP. It is mathematically possible, but carnage would have to reign everywhere...and all at the same time.
You are talking about teams worth hundreds of millions of dollars with mega media machines going against teams worth a few million at most often in remote and smaller rural areas with far less draw for that almighty recruit.

There isn't any way to bring things closer together. If they broke it up into two leagues even UTEP would have a legit chance to find a better coach and put a run together to win it. It would put truly every one of the current 130 teams in a position to control their own competitiveness and chances to reach a playoff.
 

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He meant all teams play bowl games like normal, Rose Bowl = Big10 vs Pac12 actual winners etc. Then the playoff teams are chosen after based on those results and the games get played.
I bet the Rose Bowl would love that.

It might make sense if all the bowl match ups were equal. And while it might be a quasi expanded playoff, just winning a bowl game wouldn't necessarily get you into a playoff...unless designated bowl winners are guaranteed a spot prior to the games. That's nearly equivalent to guaranteeing conference champions. Not quite but close as it could guarantee a spot to one of the two conferences playing in said bowl game.
 

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Nope. What does mid major even mean? I can't stand that term.

This sounds like G5 teams being treated like they're FCS teams. Which is backhand compliment bullshit because we're all FBS. UCF is just about as solid as any team in college football minus Alabama and they should be rewarded as such if they run the table.

Hypothetically if Cincinnati were to beat a top 5 UCF team on the road, they still wouldn't get many recognition from the committee. This is officially worse than the BCS.
If mid-major is offensive to you then there is no more fair description that wouldn't be. They are middle of the major tier. It's a descriptor. In size, resources, and so many more measures outside of football record it is simply an accurate term.

UW isn't a mid-major, but they aren't a blue blood either and you don't see any of our fans being outraged that they aren't on that tier. It's simply reality.

Deal with it.
 
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