Game Thread: Nebraska at # something Michigan. Noon Eastern. FS1

Sgt Brutus · Sep 24, 2018

TrustMeIamRight said:
Good lord — I just read that article with stats from the game. Prior to the last Nebraska drive, UM had 56 points, Nebraska had 52 YARDS on the game.

Hang in there though Nebraska fans — Frost will turn it around. It will just take some time.

He just needs players. Two years of soft ass Mike Riley will take some time to undo.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

it'sHuskers4me said:
"The 97"?

It's a good idea -- right? And a unique one at that. Make some trophy that incorporates both an AP and Coaches title so whoever wins it has the other half. OMG we can call it "The other half"

BigRedMoe · Sep 25, 2018

Sgt Brutus said:
He just needs players. Two years of soft ass Mike Riley will take some time to undo.

*Three years
It's even worse than once thought.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

TrustMeIamRight said:
Good lord — I just read that article with stats from the game. Prior to the last Nebraska drive, UM had 56 points, Nebraska had 52 YARDS on the game.

Hang in there though Nebraska fans — Frost will turn it around. It will just take some time.

I don't know man. This team was bad. Like, one of the worst P5 teams we've ever played. They're going to need to get a grad-transfer, or multiple, in order to turn this around fast enough to save Frost (just my opinion). Right now they're starting a true freshman QB. So that's their QB for the next 3 years. They're going to need to get an injection of talent fast in order for him to have enough time to actually turn it around. I think he could do it, but I think Nebraska fans aren't going to be that patient. After a few losing seasons he'll be toast. The reality is, he has 3-4 years to get this done. Do you see this Nebraska program winning 10 games in 3 years? I don't.

BigRedMoe · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I don't know man. This team was bad. Like, one of the worst P5 teams we've ever played. They're going to need to get a grad-transfer, or multiple, in order to turn this around fast enough to save Frost (just my opinion). Right now they're starting a true freshman QB. So that's their QB for the next 3 years. They're going to need to get an injection of talent fast in order for him to have enough time to actually turn it around. I think he could do it, but I think Nebraska fans aren't going to be that patient. After a few losing seasons he'll be toast. The reality is, he has 3-4 years to get this done. Do you see this Nebraska program winning 10 games in 3 years? I don't.

Frost will get more time than any other hire for the fact of who he is and what we think his ceiling is (that he doesn't necessarily have one). Also, I think the fan base realizes what a bad state Riley left the program in... well, more realize with this coaching change as compared to previous transitions. I think he needs 3 years minimum just to make us competitive. And even at that point the W-L record may not make a lot of fans happy.

TrustMeIamRight · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I don't know man. This team was bad. Like, one of the worst P5 teams we've ever played. They're going to need to get a grad-transfer, or multiple, in order to turn this around fast enough to save Frost (just my opinion). Right now they're starting a true freshman QB. So that's their QB for the next 3 years. They're going to need to get an injection of talent fast in order for him to have enough time to actually turn it around. I think he could do it, but I think Nebraska fans aren't going to be that patient. After a few losing seasons he'll be toast. The reality is, he has 3-4 years to get this done. Do you see this Nebraska program winning 10 games in 3 years? I don't.

No doubt. It won’t be overnight, but he will turn them around. Will they be winning NC’s? No. But they should be competing in the B1G West within 3 years, but seeing as how bad that conference is — that isn’t saying much.

This isn’t meant as a disrespect to Nebraska, but the days of competing for NC’s are gone, IMO. With recruiting becoming so national and teams able to find out about players with a click of the button — it makes it almost impossible for a team like Nebraska to compete, as they have next to no in state talent. It is why it is extremely difficult for UM as well. Teams like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc have elite in state recruits building the foundation of recruiting classes. If you can find the right coach — it makes those teams very tough to beat.

UM is in the same boat, but they have the academics which is a big draw for many recruits/parents and was a big reason they got Gary and a big reason they just got a commitment from Daxton Hill (from Oklahoma). Nebraska doesn’t have that — it is a great school, but not a top tier for academics.

Trying to pick up recruiting wins over other blue blood programs when the kids are born and raised on watching those programs is extremely difficult. So while Nebraska may get back to winning 9-10 games and maybe competing in the B1G West — I don’t see them being a CFP contender any time soon.

ericd7633 · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I don't know man. This team was bad. Like, one of the worst P5 teams we've ever played. They're going to need to get a grad-transfer, or multiple, in order to turn this around fast enough to save Frost (just my opinion). Right now they're starting a true freshman QB. So that's their QB for the next 3 years. They're going to need to get an injection of talent fast in order for him to have enough time to actually turn it around. I think he could do it, but I think Nebraska fans aren't going to be that patient. After a few losing seasons he'll be toast. The reality is, he has 3-4 years to get this done. Do you see this Nebraska program winning 10 games in 3 years? I don't.

If they put together a couple top 25 classes, I think they can be a 9/10 by 2020/2021.

7Samurai13 · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I don't know man. This team was bad. Like, one of the worst P5 teams we've ever played. They're going to need to get a grad-transfer, or multiple, in order to turn this around fast enough to save Frost (just my opinion). Right now they're starting a true freshman QB. So that's their QB for the next 3 years. They're going to need to get an injection of talent fast in order for him to have enough time to actually turn it around. I think he could do it, but I think Nebraska fans aren't going to be that patient. After a few losing seasons he'll be toast. The reality is, he has 3-4 years to get this done. Do you see this Nebraska program winning 10 games in 3 years? I don't.

How quickly one forgets about the Rich Rod debut.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

BigRedMoe said:
Frost will get more time than any other hire for the fact of who he is and what we think his ceiling is (that he doesn't necessarily have one). Also, I think the fan base realizes what a bad state Riley left the program in... well, more realize with this coaching change as compared to previous transitions. I think he needs 3 years minimum just to make us competitive. And even at that point the W-L record may not make a lot of fans happy.

That's kind of my point. I think fans deeply involved understand the problem. But it's the casual fans that cause the most problems. They're the ones who call the radio stations yelling about things they don't understand. It's that noise that I don't think Frost can overcome given how much he has to do at this point.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

7Samurai13 said:
How quickly one forgets about the Rich Rod debut.

I'm using my experience with RR as a prime example here. You don't get 6+ years if you're only winning 3, 5, 7 games. Frost has to win at least 10 games within the next 4 years in one season to save his job. Do you think that's possible?

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

TrustMeIamRight said:
No doubt. It won’t be overnight, but he will turn them around. Will they be winning NC’s? No. But they should be competing in the B1G West within 3 years, but seeing as how bad that conference is — that isn’t saying much.

This isn’t meant as a disrespect to Nebraska, but the days of competing for NC’s are gone, IMO. With recruiting becoming so national and teams able to find out about players with a click of the button — it makes it almost impossible for a team like Nebraska to compete, as they have next to no in state talent. It is why it is extremely difficult for UM as well. Teams like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc have elite in state recruits building the foundation of recruiting classes. If you can find the right coach — it makes those teams very tough to beat.

UM is in the same boat, but they have the academics which is a big draw for many recruits/parents and was a big reason they got Gary and a big reason they just got a commitment from Daxton Hill (from Oklahoma). Nebraska doesn’t have that — it is a great school, but not a top tier for academics.

Trying to pick up recruiting wins over other blue blood programs when the kids are born and raised on watching those programs is extremely difficult. So while Nebraska may get back to winning 9-10 games and maybe competing in the B1G West — I don’t see them being a CFP contender any time soon.

The problem Nebraska has is that their state doesn't produce any talent; like you said. But it isn't like Michigan at all. Their state currently has FIVE TOTAL kids ranked -- of any ranking -- to put that in perspective, Michigan has 98 players ranked with some ranking designation. Nebraska has to pull almost 100% of their class from out of state, and it's not like they border states with any significant number of talented kids. Michigan gets to pull kids from Ohio, and it's really not hard to pull them away from OSU; we do it with some regularity.

UM's selling point is an elite school, with elite facilities, elite tradition, "elite" coaching staff and in a city known to be one of the best college towns in the nation. It really isn't hard to recruit here. Hence regular top 10 classes. In this era, it's going to be hard for Nebraska convincing out of state kids to come to Lincoln; even if they get OK.

I went back to 2007 in the rankings, and Nebraska's highest finish was #16 with 9 four star recruits. I don't think I saw them pull in a single five star recruit in that span and most years they were only pulling in 3-6 four star kids. They're going to have a hard time competing if that's the best they can do.

NU_FTW · Sep 25, 2018

ericd7633 said:
If they put together a couple top 25 classes, I think they can be a 9/10 by 2020/2021.

Our past 3 years have been 26 23 and 22nd. We just need to get rid of the loser mentality that players have from previous retards, er i mean coaches

Skerpokes · Sep 25, 2018

You guys ever heard of Noah Fant? That guy will be a top 20 draft pick. You know where he is from? Omaha, Nebraska.

The only problem is that Riley sucked so fucking bad that he couldn't recruit the in-state talent we DO have and now Fant is playing at Iowa and one of the best tight ends in the country.

Vegas · Sep 25, 2018

Nebraska will have a really tough time getting to an elite level. They no longer get partial qualifiers, have scholarship limits they didn't used to have, and the walk on program will have a terrible time getting quality players like they did in the past. Tuition costs make walking on tougher when a guy can get a scholarship at a small school.

And it's doubtful they can get away with having a bunch of roided up criminals like they did under the sainted Osborne. It's not politically correct or acceptable these days.

TrustMeIamRight · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The problem Nebraska has is that their state doesn't produce any talent; like you said. But it isn't like Michigan at all. Their state currently has FIVE TOTAL kids ranked -- of any ranking -- to put that in perspective, Michigan has 98 players ranked with some ranking designation. Nebraska has to pull almost 100% of their class from out of state, and it's not like they border states with any significant number of talented kids. Michigan gets to pull kids from Ohio, and it's really not hard to pull them away from OSU; we do it with some regularity.

UM's selling point is an elite school, with elite facilities, elite tradition, "elite" coaching staff and in a city known to be one of the best college towns in the nation. It really isn't hard to recruit here. Hence regular top 10 classes. In this era, it's going to be hard for Nebraska convincing out of state kids to come to Lincoln; even if they get OK.

I went back to 2007 in the rankings, and Nebraska's highest finish was #16 with 9 four star recruits. I don't think I saw them pull in a single five star recruit in that span and most years they were only pulling in 3-6 four star kids. They're going to have a hard time competing if that's the best they can do.

If there is one thing I know is high school football in Michigan and if there is one thing that puts UM in a big hole compared to other blue bloods (sans Nebraska) is in state talent and the quality of high school football in Michigan. We are WAY behind in that regard.

And don’t say it is easy to pull kids from OSU. Some of the best Ohio kids UM had are guys OSU didn’t offer. Jake Butt, Taco Charlton, Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard. Do we get recruits from Ohio? Yes. Do we get Ohio kids that OSU makes a priority? Rarely.

CFB isn’t rocket science. The best teams are in the states with the best high school recruits. Those will be the teams who consistently be in play for conference titles and the CFP.

huskers1217 · Sep 25, 2018

die thread die

MAIZEandBLUE09 · Sep 25, 2018

huskers1217 said:
die thread die

I suspect Nov. 3rd there's going to be another one of these.

huskers1217 · Sep 25, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I suspect Nov. 3rd there's going to be another one of these.

yes..and @mall3013 will get his 2 week avy of my choice

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