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The Chiefs are Apparently in the Earl Thomas Fray

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Thomas would be quite good for Kansas City. They're 3-0, Dallas could be 1-2 after today, I know Thomas is from Texas and the Cowboys are the Cowboys but for my money the Chiefs are the better team right now.
 

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Thomas would be quite good for Kansas City. They're 3-0, Dallas could be 1-2 after today, I know Thomas is from Texas and the Cowboys are the Cowboys but for my money the Chiefs are the better team right now.
I kinda feel like the Chiefs would purely be renting to try to win the SB if they got Earl. Jones and Hill are going to be veering towards 40M combined and Kendall Fuller ain't far behind.
 

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Earl Thomas on not practicing: 'I'm investing in myself'

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Pretty sure it just the risk/calculus odds of a Steelers tiebreaker mattering were not that great. This week is an NFC opponent at home. My guess is he has a chance of coming back for MNF next week, and if he ain't back for the Jags game the following week then that's when the red flags should really start popping. Just reading tea-leaves, it's less so he can't play, they just don't want to risk it when they don't have to and can nip (I am guessing tendinosis or something similar) this in the bud in the early going. More about the postseason than it is about now. Earl and Berry probably have pretty different roles at this point.

With the start that KC is having...I can see them making a deal here.
 

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With the start that KC is having...I can see them making a deal here.
They're in a lot better spot to rent than the Cowboys. I kinda feel they can just sit on their asses offering at most a 3rd or 2nd. Cowboys can just wait until FA as they filter out of playoff contention if they don't pull the trigger.
 

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if seattle would take a really crappy draft pick then the chiefs should probably pursue it but he's probably just a 4 month rental player for them because they're already paying Eric Berry 800 million dollars a year or something ridiculous ... they can't afford to sign Thomas long term
 

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if seattle would take a really crappy draft pick then the chiefs should probably pursue it but he's probably just a 4 month rental player for them because they're already paying Eric Berry 800 million dollars a year or something ridiculous … they can't afford to sign Thomas long term

Well, when you have a QB on the rookie contract you can consider such things, but paying both safeties FA type contracts long term does not sound reasonable...my guess is they would rent Thomas.
 

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Well, when you have a QB on the rookie contract you can consider such things, but paying both safeties FA type contracts long term does not sound reasonable...my guess is they would rent Thomas.
Methinks they'd rather throw money at younger players like Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill before Earl who is 29, and who would have his next contract begin on the wrong side of 30; even for a safety you lose out there when big money is already at that position. Even Watkins at the end of his deal would be 28.
 

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offering at most a 3rd or 2ND .

you think your team should give a 2nd round pick to rent Thomas for 3 or 4 months? Do you feel like Thomas is the difference between the Chiefs getting to the SB and not? Could 1 safety fix a defense that much?
 

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Methinks they'd rather throw money at younger players like Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill before Earl who is 29, and who would have his next contract begin on the wrong side of 30; even for a safety you lose out there when big money is already at that position. Even Watkins at the end of his deal would be 28.

Yeah...long term, they have to take care of Jones and Hill.

I was thinking a one year rental on Thomas, but that might not be all that attractive to him either. Why would he jump at the chance to play for the same $8 mil in KC?
 

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you think your team should give a 2nd round pick to rent Thomas for 3 or 4 months? Do you feel like Thomas is the difference between the Chiefs getting to the SB and not? Could 1 safety fix a defense that much?
The CB's aren't the guys getting beat, generally in coverage. It's the LB's and safeties thus far. A 2nd is rich for my blood, I'd want to see more from the offense before I am willing to make that plunge for a 2nd.

Add Berry and Thomas back there and you have a lot more options to blitz than they do now; they are among the least likely defenses to blitz despite having 3 pretty capable passrushers (prior to Ford breaking down [again]- that's not good and shouldn't be happening. The Chiefs should wait until it's closer to the deadline before making such a call, just my opinion. I'd offer a 3rd right now just to be in the picture now. If the offense is still looking like the Greatest Show on Grass, up that to a second.
 

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Yeah...long term, they have to take care of Jones and Hill.

I was thinking a one year rental on Thomas, but that might not be all that attractive to him either. Why would he jump at the chance to play for the same $8 mil in KC?
One could win a SB with this offense, provided it doesn't completely implode, even if there is even semi-respectable defense. Veach is a weird dude thus far as GM so maybe he's crazy enough to actually give him money. They are not gonna need to be good to blow teams out. They just can't let teams get back up from 21-0 and 35-7 like the past two weeks.

(I am going to assume Earl nets a 3rd as a comp pick for trade purposes)
 

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My general stance is this:

The Chiefs should offer a 3rd now. That's about the going rate for good players who want out/last-year-of-deal with little leverage as that guarantees a day 2 pick vs the arcane comp pick process.

a) The Seahawks won't do anything
b) Nor the Cowboys; they're eventually dropping out
c) Call both of their bluffs

There are, IIRC, about 5 more games between now and the trade deadline. The Chiefs will have already beaten the Steelers and Chargers in that timespan.

The Chiefs next 5 games:

@Broncos
Vs Jags
@Patriots
Vs Bengals
Vs Broncos

The Chiefs come out of that 6-2 or better, and have wins against the Jags and/or Patriots, the Chiefs should become pretty motivated to get this done if the offense continues to look dominant. They get Berry and Thomas at safety and it becomes a considerably more difficult defense to deal with.
 

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As much as I despise the idea of giving up premium picks, the more I think about it; Veach is exactly the kind of cat who would do that, thinking the team can win a SB right now.
 

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As much as I despise the idea of giving up premium picks, the more I think about it; Veach is exactly the kind of cat who would do that, thinking the team can win a SB right now.
If the Chiefs traded a 3rd round pick and got him, if he leaves as a FA, would KC then get a comp pick? Granted it would be a year later...but still?
 

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