2018 US Open

If Isner had beaten Del Potro, he probably would have played in the Finals, given how Nadal struggled in the SFs.

Then we could have seen Isner have a chance at a major title!

Also, funny how almost every time Djokovic and Isner play, it's at a Masters 1000 tournament, or Davis Cup.

Novak Djokovic VS John Isner | Head 2 Head | ATP World Tour | Tennis

nuraman00 said:

Has anyone won all 4? (Wimbledon; Rogers Cup; Cincinnati; US Open)?

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I have to think Fed did it at some point during his prime

Was the serve clocked used in WTA matches at the US Open? I didn't see it in the Finals.

bksballer89 said:

I have to think Fed did it at some point during his prime

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Nope. The 2 years he won Canada, he didn't win Cincinnati. In fact, he lost in the first and 2nd round in Cincinnati, his worst losses in that tourney.

Nadal (2013), Roddick (2003), Agassi (1995) are the only ones to win Canada and Cincinnati in the same year.

Of those, only Nadal also won the US Open that year.

Cincinnati wasn't part of the "Super Series" prior to 1981.

So it looks like no one has won Wimbledon, Canada, Cincinnati, and the US Open.

nuraman00 said:

Was the serve clock used in WTA matches at the US Open? I didn't see it in the Finals.

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Bump?

That was a great Womens Doubles Finals. A combined 6 championship points between the two teams.

I think Vandeweghe and Barty were behind 3 different times in the 3rd set tiebreaker.

The best doubles finals I've seen.

That sucks that they didn't get a chance to speak. The US Open and/or the TV networks screwed up Del Potro's speech in 2009 by not letting him speak much, and they screwed Vandeweghe and Barty. What's another 3 - 4 minutes?

nuraman00 said:

Was the serve clocked used in WTA matches at the US Open? I didn't see it in the Finals.

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@Old Lion? @bksballer89?

Ok, I finally browsed through a bunch of matches, and saw the serve clock. It's in the upper right corner of the screen, so it's kind of hidden.

I had to watch 3 different matches before I finally saw it for the first time.

I then went back to the previous 2 matches, and finally saw it used.

nuraman00 said:

Ok, I finally browsed through a bunch of matches, and saw the serve clock. It's in the upper right corner of the screen, so it's kind of hidden.

I had to watch 3 different matches before I finally saw it for the first time.

I then went back to the previous 2 matches, and finally saw it used.

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The serve clock is stupid because they don't implement it correctly

bksballer89 said:

The serve clock is stupid because they don't implement it correctly

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Agreed. I think it measures swing speed instead of ball speed. You basically get the speed of the ball leaving the racket. Not the speed of the ball when it reaches its target.

Maybe you can expound on that. I am too lazy to look it up.

bksballer89 said:

The serve clock is stupid because they don't implement it correctly

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Old Lion said:

Agreed. I think it measures swing speed instead of ball speed. You basically get the speed of the ball leaving the racket. Not the speed of the ball when it reaches its target.

Maybe you can expound on that. I am too lazy to look it up.

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I was actually talking about the 25 second timer that the server has to serve. I didn't see it during some of the matches at the US Open. But then I had to look again, it's tiny and in the upper right corner of the screen.

As for the serve speed, how is a MLB radar gun implemented? Does it measure the ball speed as it arrives in the batter's box?

If so, then I agree that a serve speed should be similar. It should be the speed of the ball as it arrives to the target, to be consistent across sports.

But, what's wrong with knowing the swing speed, anyways? The faster the swing speed, the faster the ball speed, right?

nuraman00 said:

I was actually talking about the 25 second timer that the server has to serve. I didn't see it during some of the matches at the US Open. But then I had to look again, it's tiny and in the upper right corner of the screen.

As for the serve speed, how is a MLB radar gun implemented? Does it measure the ball speed as it arrives in the batter's box?

If so, then I agree that a serve speed should be similar. It should be the speed of the ball as it arrives to the target, to be consistent across sports.

But, what's wrong with knowing the swing speed, anyways? The faster the swing speed, the faster the ball speed, right?

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Sorry, my misunderstanding. Yes the 25 second timer was called on a few players as violations too (Rafa and Djoker, big surprise).

As far as swing speed that is only a portion of the equation. Remember F=MV. Swing speed is only V. So someone 200 lbs swinging the racket as fast as someone 100 pounds would hit it twice as fast. Also there is a special exception case in tennis that would have to be made for grip strength and racket weight. Not exactly sure how those would effect the formula but the variables would have to be added as well.

Good post.

Also, when I was trying to find the serve clock, I felt that it wasn't being used in the Womens matches. That's what my post was about, a few weeks ago.

I finally confirmed yesterday that it was really used.

I think the broadcasts paid more attention to it during the Mens matches, then the Womens matches.

So how are MLB radar guns used? Do they have one thing sensing when the pitcher releases the ball, and another thing sensing when it arrives in the batters' box?

Would a tennis radar gun have to be implemented similarly?

How do they measure winner speed? Is that only the swing speed again?

Shouldn’t matter much if the person is 100 lb or 200lb since the weight of the person is not involved in the F = mv equation. It’s the weight of the racquet that is involved. Heavier the racquet greater the force.

I never posted my thoughts about this Finals. I kept telling myself to get back to it.

With the French Open about to start, it's about time I catch up on this topic.

* The first penalty point: I don't think Serena should have gotten a warning for coaching. This is rarely enforced.

Even if Mouratoglou said he was coaching her, in a press conference after the match was over, all he did was make a gesture with his hands. What is that really supposed to mean? It's not that obvious what he was trying to convey, unless you really studied it.

Yes, Nadal and Sharapova have gotten a few warnings for coaching over the years. So it does happen to other players.

It's one of those things that if they're serious about it, then they should call it all the time, not just occasionally.

With that said, because she got the warning, then Serena should have been on her best behavior. Can't smash a racquet and lose a point.

Then, taking it even further, and calling the umpire a thief, can't do that either.

Also, coaching happens in the locker room all the time, during rain delays. It might not even be tactical stuff, but sometimes just a pep talk. But it's never enforced there in the locker room.

So if the tour really wants to enforce coaching, then they need to give out warnings and penalties every time. Maybe even fines.

It's also inconsistent that the Women can be coached during non-majors, but not at majors. They need to have one set of rules for all tournaments. I understand that the non-majors are governed by the ATP/WTA, and the majors by the International Tennis Federation. Still though, both entities should come to an agreement on coaching, and whether to allow it.

Just like they came to an agreement on using instant replay, or the serve clock, they should do the same with enforcing coaching, or allowing it.

Ok, let's also talk about Osaka.

Osaka doesn't strike me as having the fastest serve, but she seems to have very good placement. Maybe she has a deceptive delivery too. Having won two majors now, she has a solid all-around game.