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We upgrade the bat but probably downgrade the defense.

I do like Healy as a pinch hitter, his pop possibility will be a nice step in.
 

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We upgrade the bat but probably downgrade the defense.

I do like Healy as a pinch hitter, his pop possibility will be a nice step in.
Healy's defense is pretty poor. If there is a downgrade defensively it wont be a ton and well worth the hitting upgrade
 

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Healy's defense is pretty poor. If there is a downgrade defensively it wont be a ton and well worth the hitting upgrade

So do you trade Cruz who is a free agent and move Healy to DH?
 

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So do you trade Cruz who is a free agent and move Healy to DH?
This team needs Cruz badly. So much that I think he should be extended

I’d platoon Healy. Righties just eat his lunch with that low and away breaking ball. His numbers are really really poor across the board. I’d even consider optioning him once Cano gets back until Sept 1. Healy is essentially Valencia 2.0 with more homers and less OBP
 

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We upgrade the bat but probably downgrade the defense.

I do like Healy as a pinch hitter, his pop possibility will be a nice step in.

I don't see a downgrade in defense... Overall, Cano there would boost the 1B rating for the M's, imo…
 

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So do you trade Cruz who is a free agent and move Healy to DH?

I think more of use Healy as the guy who spells 1B and 3B. Cano will probably get time at 1B then spell Cruz at DH and Gordon at 2B.

The main question is how do they get Cano on the roster. Romine is really useless on the team when Cano comes back if they plan on keeping Gordon as the 2B. Do they keep Heredia in CF or is he the guy who gets sent down since he has options. By the time Cano is back though it will be the waiver deadline so a deal for Adam Jones might be in play then.
 

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Yeah, we just can't afford Healy and Seager to be this bad at the plate together... Especially at the corner positions... Cano replacing Healy is a positive for this team... If we made the postseason, we'd have to hope Healy could step his game up...
 

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I dont mind Cano playing first we need all the help we can get with Oakland right behind us. Sure as hell a better option than Dan Vogelbach
 

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I don't see a downgrade in defense... Overall, Cano there would boost the 1B rating for the M's, imo…

Then again, if he were to go back to 2nd it would downgrade the defense there too so 1st is probably the best option.

Either way, it's gonna be nice to have his bat back in the lineup.
 

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Then again, if he were to go back to 2nd it would downgrade the defense there too so 1st is probably the best option.

Either way, it's gonna be nice to have his bat back in the lineup.

Would also be downgrade in CF defensively because I assume you are moving Dee to CF if Cano is back at 2nd.

Replacing Healys offense with Cano makes the most sense for a team upgrade. Any other scenario feels like you have downgrade in another spot either offensively or defensively
 

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This team needs Cruz badly. So much that I think he should be extended

I’d platoon Healy. Righties just eat his lunch with that low and away breaking ball. His numbers are really really poor across the board. I’d even consider optioning him once Cano gets back until Sept 1. Healy is essentially Valencia 2.0 with more homers and less OBP

1- Why acquire a young player who had a good rookie year and then platoon him. He will never get better by doing that but that seems to be a Mariners thing.

2- Then who plays 1B in the playoffs? Healy who just got demoted, less AB's, and no confidence?

I think you have to play Healy as much as possible to get him back to the guy they thought they traded for or trade him now. He is at that Montero point in his career. I think his defense has been over scrutinized. Yes he makes some odd plays on balls in play, but he has also made some great picks on throws. I would just hate to see an asset screwed up after 90 games.
 

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1- Why acquire a young player who had a good rookie year and then platoon him. He will never get better by doing that but that seems to be a Mariners thing.

2- Then who plays 1B in the playoffs? Healy who just got demoted, less AB's, and no confidence?

I think you have to play Healy as much as possible to get him back to the guy they thought they traded for or trade him now. He is at that Montero point in his career. I think his defense has been over scrutinized. Yes he makes some odd plays on balls in play, but he has also made some great picks on throws. I would just hate to see an asset screwed up after 90 games.
I agree with you. I think you have to play Healy. Healy has some pretty awesome potential imo. Cano taking playing time from Healy is the "easy" way to go to get Cano back in the lineup, but its not the long run best idea.

Who do you take playing time away from in order to keep Cano and Gordon in the same lineup? Personally I would rather have Healy hitting than Heredia. The problem with all of this is they are going to want Cano in the lineup but they have to do it in a way that still keeps the other guys ready to go when Cano bails on them for the playoffs.
 

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1- Why acquire a young player who had a good rookie year and then platoon him. He will never get better by doing that but that seems to be a Mariners thing.

2- Then who plays 1B in the playoffs? Healy who just got demoted, less AB's, and no confidence?
1. I honestly don't understand why he is way worse this year other then Mariners. Even though he's not a high on base guy, its epically worse this year. And his defense is costing them at times. That Desmond triple that tied the game in Colorado I think is a play an average first baseman can get too. I am not saying dump him but he hasn't shown he's the first baseman of the future yet. The whole CF, 1B, 2B and DH thing is gonna be cluster until this winter.

2. I don't really even care to think about the playoffs right now. Its far from guaranteed. But the best team on the field to get there.
 
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Who do you take playing time away from in order to keep Cano and Gordon in the same lineup? Personally I would rather have Healy hitting than Heredia. The problem with all of this is they are going to want Cano in the lineup but they have to do it in a way that still keeps the other guys ready to go when Cano bails on them for the playoffs.

Agree that its Heredia vs Healy debate because Cano and Gordon are playing every day. Healy yes is the better bat but its not like hes been a great bat.

Here's why you have to consider Heredia, I think he brings more to the table defensively in a prime defensive position then Healy brings offensively. Plus you take out Heredia, that means moving Gordon to CF which is a huge downgrade defensively. The difference between Cano and Dee defensively at 2nd also seems significantly.

So I ask is keeping Healy's bat in the lineup worth downgrading your defense in CF and 2nd base. I am not sure I can subscribe to that.
 

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1. I honestly don't understand why he is way worse this year other then Mariners. Even though he's not a high on base guy, its epically worse this year. And his defense is costing them at times. That Desmond triple that tied the game in Colorado I think is a play an average first baseman can get too. I am not saying dump him but he hasn't shown he's the first baseman of the future yet. The whole CF, 1B, 2B and DH thing is gonna be cluster until this winter.

The only thing I can think of is that he is trying too hard to impress new teammates and going out of the zone to try and drive the ball. Other than that, I don't have a clue. Not like Oakland stadium is hitter friendly or their lineup was better and protected him.

Odd that a 3B can't field balls in play. You could expect bad footwork or maybe not dinging some of those bad throws, but it is the opposite.

2. I don't really even care to think about the playoffs right now. Its far from guaranteed. But the best team on the field to get there.

What are you talking about? I read a month ago we were locked into the playoffs! You must be one of those negative Nancy's.
 

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Agree that its Heredia vs Healy debate because Cano and Gordon are playing every day. Healy yes is the better bat but its not like hes been a great bat.

Here's why you have to consider Heredia, I think he brings more to the table defensively in a prime defensive position then Healy brings offensively. Plus you take out Heredia, that means moving Gordon to CF which is a huge downgrade defensively. The difference between Cano and Dee defensively at 2nd also seems significantly.

So I ask is keeping Healy's bat in the lineup worth downgrading your defense in CF and 2nd base. I am not sure I can subscribe to that.
My answer to that is 95% yes maybe more... simply based on how this team is currently built. The problem we will see is good teams hitting our mediocre pitching is a given and our pitching and defense wont matter as much ... I think regardless this team will need to put up runs and hit the fuckin ball.

Ill be honest i have a very very difficult time seeing this "defense" argument... especially with this 2018 team. I think people are putting too much value on something that isn't going to make a long run difference. Thats my opinion and I don't think our pitching is good enough for our defense to make much of a difference.
 

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What are you talking about? I read a month ago we were locked into the playoffs! You must be one of those negative Nancy's.
Oops you're right. #truetotheblue
 

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My answer to that is 95% yes maybe more... simply based on how this team is currently built. The problem we will see is good teams hitting our mediocre pitching is a given and our pitching and defense wont matter as much ... I think regardless this team will need to put up runs and hit the fuckin ball.

Ill be honest i have a very very difficult time seeing this "defense" argument... especially with this 2018 team. I think people are putting too much value on something that isn't going to make a long run difference. Thats my opinion and I don't think our pitching is good enough for our defense to make much of a difference.

I can see that thinking. I just think CF defense especially at a park like Safeco matters. After seeing what Gamel looked like in CF at Coors and Haniger a few times, you can see the difference when Heredia isn't out there. Ideally either Healy or Heredia could be platooned but I don't see it with this roster currently.
 

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1. I honestly don't understand why he is way worse this year other then Mariners. Even though he's not a high on base guy, its epically worse this year. And his defense is costing them at times. That Desmond triple that tied the game in Colorado I think is a play an average first baseman can get too. I am not saying dump him but he hasn't shown he's the first baseman of the future yet. The whole CF, 1B, 2B and DH thing is gonna be cluster until this winter.

2. I don't really even care to think about the playoffs right now. Its far from guaranteed. But the best team on the field to get there.

I don't truly think Healy is or was going to be a 1B of the future. He is under control and young but still more of a stop gap until either Cano moves there or White is ready. He may be the 3B of the future but I don't think 1B was ever Jerry's intent when he traded for him.
 
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