Detroit Lion's secondary

[flyerhawk]

In spite of the offense, largely not because of it. Given the same schedule the patriots would have more 13 win seasons because they dont sputter against bad teams like we have.

So many missed opportunities because of the inept offense we run.

So our team needs to be blown up because the Patriots would have won 13 games every year instead of 12 if they had the same schedule? Pretty dubious argument but a pointless one as well.

 

[MrS]

Two seasons with 12 or more. The patriots win 12 with ease because they score in the first half and never put up 3 point clunkers against teams like the bucs.

The offense for sure needs to be blown up, its been needed for several years now. Lynch and wilson masked the deficincies in play calling and with their ability to run.

Take away lynch and wilsons mobility and we are where we are now. A highschool offense.

 

[JMR]

My old man is miserable to watch a game with. He starts in with the doom and gloom monologue as soon as the coin toss if the Hawks don't win it, and that's no exaggeration. Then if we lose the toss and don't score on our first possession, the game is already an unmitigated disaster. We could end up with 500 yards of offense and 40 points, but if the O didn't do anything in the first quarter then that's what all the focus would be on. Someone around here reminds of him....

 

[Anointed One]

On the flip side, Seattle's pass defense has taken a big step backwards since the loss of Earl Thomas...

What we learned: Seahawks' running game remains a running joke

 

[blstoker]

Two seasons with 12 or more. The patriots win 12 with ease because they score in the first half and never put up 3 point clunkers against teams like the bucs.

You either are underestimating the Seahawks or are overestimating the Patriots. I know, you're down on the Seahawks, and have been for years. You also have a hard on for the Patriots, and have for years. But, to think that the Patriots somehow have played a tougher schedule than the Hawks the last 5 years is just insane.

Since 2012:

Patriots: Rec: 62-18 S.O.S.: .502 Opp Offense: 19.1-19.3-16.2 Opp Defense: 16.2-13.0-17.8
Seahaw: Rec: 56-23-1 S.O.S.: .509 Opp Offense: 17.8-19.1-15.7 Opp Defense: 15.7-14.8-15.9

This was the first year the Seahawks had a S.O.S. lower than .500 in this span - Pats have only been over .500 twice (2012 & 2014). This year's strength of schedule (.457) was lower than NE's (.468), but that was only the second time that had happened in the last 5 years (2012).

Division opponents:

Since 2012:

Patriots: Rec: 23-7 S.O.S.: .481 Opp Offense: 20.7-24.4-11.1 Opp Defense: 17.3-13.3-18.3
Seahaw: Rec: 18-11-1 S.O.S.: .490 Opp Offense: 20.9-22.7-16.3 Opp Defense: 12.9-13.5-13.8

Outside division opponents:

Since 2012:

Patriots: Rec: 39-11 S.O.S.: .513 Opp Offense: 17.9-16.1-19.3 Opp Defense: 15.7-13.0-17.2
Seahaw: Rec: 38-12 S.O.S.: .519 Opp Offense: 15.9-16.9-15.4 Opp Defense: 17.4-15.6-17.2

The last two sets of stats continue to show that the Seahawks strength of opponent has been tougher than the Patriots over the last 5 years. Nearly every category shows that the teams being played rank higher in win percentage, have better offenses and better defenses than what the Patriots are facing. I'm not saying the Pats wouldn't still have the same success they are having if they faced Seattle's schedule, just that it's hard to come to the conclusion that the Pats would be even better had they faced what Seattle faced.

 

[flyerhawk]

Two seasons with 12 or more. The patriots win 12 with ease because they score in the first half and never put up 3 point clunkers against teams like the bucs.

The offense for sure needs to be blown up, its been needed for several years now. Lynch and wilson masked the deficincies in play calling and with their ability to run.

Take away lynch and wilsons mobility and we are where we are now. A highschool offense.

Comparing your team to arguably the greatest team in NFL history and demanding the same is a good way to always be disappointed about everything.

 

[Dolemite censored]

3975 yards allowed / 72.7 % completion percentage / 33 tds 10 int / 106.5 QB rating

19th in yards allowed
25th in yards per attempt
32nd in completion percentage (72.7 % is actually the worst of all time)
31st in touchdown passes allowed
26th in interceptions
31st in sacks
32nd in opposing QB rating


This plays right into our strengths this year on offense. Russell is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the league, Detroit is giving up an all time worst 72.7 % completion percentage. Our weakness has been protecting our quarterback, Detroit is one of the worst at getting to the quarterback. Russ is above average going deep and has the weapon to go vertical, Detroit is 25th in yards per attempt.

I'm not saying abandon the run game, but given the match up I think it's best we rely on our passing game. Supplement the lack of a run game with high percentage passes, run more uptempo and take advantage of the Detroit secondary.

Pregame statistics make for good discussion, but even mediocre defenses have stuffed the Seahawks this season.

 

[MrS]

Asking that our offense plays the whole game is asking too much?

Just look at opening drives, how many tds have we scored under bevell? You can probably count on one hand

As far as the patriots, they have 7 more wins the past 5 years against an sos that is .007 weaker. Thats statistically insignificant.

7 more wins could have changed our playoff results in the years we didnt make the SB

 

[flyerhawk]

Asking that our offense plays the whole game is asking too much?

Just look at opening drives, how many tds have we scored under bevell? You can probably count on one hand

As far as the patriots, they have 7 more wins the past 5 years against an sos that is .007 weaker. Thats statistically insignificant.

7 more wins could have changed our playoff results in the years we didnt make the SB

Once we get rid of all of our coaches on offense i'm sure everything will work better.

 

[Mebert]

How is Golden Tate viewed by Seattle fans? that did not seem like a graceful exit when he left

 

[MrS]

I like tate a lot, but i think it was a choice between him and baldwin and i feel like we made the right choice.

If harvin was never on the team, thanks bevell, maybe we could have kept him.

Once we get rid of all of our coaches on offense i'm sure everything will work better.

It couldnt get any worse

 

[blstoker]

Asking that our offense plays the whole game is asking too much?

Just look at opening drives, how many tds have we scored under bevell? You can probably count on one hand

As far as the patriots, they have 7 more wins the past 5 years against an sos that is .007 weaker. Thats statistically insignificant.

7 more wins could have changed our playoff results in the years we didnt make the SB

Tell me how those 6 wins have taken the Patriots to more Super Bowls? Cause if I remember correctly, they've been to fewer than us the last 5 years....

Besides, your argument wasn't that the Patriots had more wins than Seattle over the last 5 years, but that if they'd played Seattle's schedule, they'd have even more wins than they already had. As the numbers show, Seattle has played tougher competition almost across the board over the last 5 years, so to assume the Pats would be even better against tougher overall competition is just not supported by the numbers.

 

[flyerhawk]

It couldnt get any worse

It can ABSOLUTELY get worse.

 

[MrS]

Tell me how those 6 wins have taken the Patriots to more Super Bowls? Cause if I remember correctly, they've been to fewer than us the last 5 years....

Besides, your argument wasn't that the Patriots had more wins than Seattle over the last 5 years, but that if they'd played Seattle's schedule, they'd have even more wins than they already had. As the numbers show, Seattle has played tougher competition almost across the board over the last 5 years, so to assume the Pats would be even better against tougher overall competition is just not supported by the numbers.

I do believe the patriots have played in three straight afc championship games, losing 2 to really good denver teams.

The rest is bs, not at all what i said.

 

[MrS]

It can ABSOLUTELY get worse.

Not with the talent on this team at qb and wr/te.

 

[dude82]

I made a New Year's resolution to make better use of the "Ignore" function on this site this year. I don't want or need sunshine and rainbows about the team when I come here and there are legitimate criticisms to be made about the team. I'm just done with the "there's too much bad to focus on anything good" attitude some people have here about a team that has averaged 10 wins a season and made the playoffs six times in seven years since Carroll and Schneider got here.

So yeah... I have less patience with Negative Nellies now. I can acknowledge the shortcomings of this team without it being the only thing I acknowledge. I'm not gonna let myself get drawn into these downward spirals of negativity anymore. There's enough negative stuff going on outside of football right now as it is. I refuse to let something I enjoy continue to be one of those negative things. If you're like me and you're tired of having the same old arguments with the same old people you can do what I did, and you'll be happier for it. Let 2017 be the year that we stop letting the perpetually unsatisfied people of the board control the conversations we have about the team. If they want to be miserable, let them join a fanbase that has a good reason to be miserable. I hear the Browns have space available in the Dawg Pound.

 

[flyerhawk]

Not with the talent on this team at qb and wr/te.

Offensive line matters. Having one with rookies and retreads is going to cause problems.

 

[Anointed One]

Comparing your team to arguably the greatest team in NFL history and demanding the same is a good way to always be disappointed about everything.

Pretty much... Also having arguably the GOAT at QB and HC helps a bit, too...

 

[JMR]

On the flip side, Seattle's pass defense has taken a big step backwards since the loss of Earl Thomas...

What we learned: Seahawks' running game remains a running joke

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There's no doubt we are better with Earl than without. If that weren't the case, it would be utterly stupid to pay him all that money to play when we could just grab a guy and stick him in there and be fine. However, I think the GB game where the O turned it over 6 times skews those numbers to a degree. I say no way GB comes close to scoring 38 in that game otherwise.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

How is Golden Tate viewed by Seattle fans? that did not seem like a graceful exit when he left

I loved Golden Tate... I was disappointed when we didn't keep him ... Looking back letting Percy go and keeping Tate would a been a WAY better answer... But l guess all teams regret things that happen in the NFL business sometimes... Tate reminds me a lot of Hines Ward, both really physical receivers that run clean routes and are as tough as they come, good blockers also..