So Atlanta did us a solid

[kbso83432]

Steelers.......coaching.
*Keeping Breeland on Brown
*Not going for it on 4th and short

Cowboys.........Kirk
*Missing Crowder and Jackson on sure TD''s
*Red zone int to Church

Lions.........Jones, Coaching, Defense
*Jones' fumbles
*Barry's prevent D
*Defense not being able to make a play and get off the field when they had to.

Bengals.........Hopkins
*He has to make that kick at the end.

Cowboys........defense
*Over 500 yards offense
*Win time of possession
*Trying onside kicks because you know your defense has no chance of stopping anybody.

 

[Sportster 72]

No way was Detroit on the offense. Cousins drove the team to a leading position with 1:05 left and D blew it. Bengals, Cousins drove to team to game winning FG attempt and Hopkins yoked it. That is the difference in 8-3 and 6-4-1.

 

[gkekoa]

Our offense should score at least 25 on every team in the NFL. The offense finally put us in position to win late, but they did not do their jobs early. The defense gave up 20 which means they did their job.

The Bengals game is easy to put on Hopkins and it obviously falls on him; however, the defense did not do their job.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

2016 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

As someone noted in another thread - the Redskins D just can't handle teams w/ a good rushing game at this time. Of the Redskins 6 wins - 5 are against teams in the bottom 11 in the NFL in rushing. Four are against the teams in the bottom 7 in the NFL in this category.

It is what it is. People need to remember that this team is still in the middle of a rebuilding process. They obviously need help on D in to prevent other teams from tearing them apart up the middle. Even the addition of 2-3 new players next offseason could go a long ways towards improvement.

My biggest concern is do they want to replace the current defensive coaching staff. In this area I am not so much worried about the game day planning for the defense since the talent is lacking. Rather - I am concerned about whether the defensive coaches can develop young talent in a manner similar to how this has succeeded with both Cousins & the O line. I honestly don't have the answer, but I think that coaching in the development area is crucial moving forward.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am not going to point too any game as our downfall

i am going to point to year 2 of the rebuild and defensive weakness to include depth on that side of the ball

i think barry needs more talent to do the things we/he wants

that doesnt absolve him totally

 

[kbso83432]

Not a fan, but I think Barry has done enough with what he has to give him another year. Ask me in a few weeks and I might feel differently.

 

[deanpet21]

Top ten offense in Yards, Scoring and TOP. This despite the missed scoring opportunities.

Bottom ten Defense in Yards, Tied for 12th in points given up.

You think this defense has done good?? Seriously?? Fuck dude a one legged man in a coma could rush for 100 yards and two TDs against this defense. But they have done GOOD??

Already proved the defense won 4 games for us.

 

[deanpet21]

The way I see it...if we hold any team below 24 points, with our offense, we should win. So according to that logic...

Pitt...team loss
Dallas...team loss
NYG...offense win
Cle...team win
Balt...defense win
PHI...team win
Det...off loss
CIN...defense blame
Minn...team win
GB team win
Dal...defense loss but the offense could have changed that game early

NYG was a team win when Cravens picked off Eli to seal it when the offense had to punt b/c they couldn't kill the clock. cmon man.

 

[deanpet21]

Not a fan, but I think Barry has done enough with what he has to give him another year. Ask me in a few weeks and I might feel differently.

Our DL, ILb and S are all below average and the defense has still won 4 games for us. If we somehow miss the playoffs Barry will be the scapegoat. The way KC is playing we might be still be able to get wins even though the defense will surrender 24-28 points a game.

Barry has the most to lose with the remaining 5 games. I'd be shocked we fired Barry if we made the playoffs.

 

[gkekoa]

NYG was a team win when Cravens picked off Eli to seal it when the offense had to punt b/c they couldn't kill the clock. cmon man.

We scored 29...they scored 27. One play does not a game make.

 

[deanpet21]

We scored 29...they scored 27. One play does not a game make.

One play? I believe they picked off Eli 3 times that game. You need to re watch that game again. The defense stepped up if they didn't we would of been 0-3. That game turned around the season for us.

As far as the Cincy game. Everyone forgets that Gruden went for it on 4 and 1 on Cincy 25 in the 2nd qtr. 3 points right there would of been a huge difference in that game. Gruden has had a lot of moments this year. Everyone will point to the Cincy game if we miss the playoffs by a 1/2 game.

 

[kbso83432]

Our DL, ILb and S are all below average and the defense has still won 4 games for us. If we somehow miss the playoffs Barry will be the scapegoat. The way KC is playing we might be still be able to get wins even though the defense will surrender 24-28 points a game.

Barry has the most to lose with the remaining 5 games. I'd be shocked we fired Barry if we made the playoffs.

I wouldn't say the defense won four games for us. I do agree that Barry doesn't have a lot to work with. It's kinda like the RG3 situatuon. He was so inept, that the coaching staff couldn't even evaluate the rest of the team. We thought we needed to overhaul the entire offensive line, and were questioning why with all the weapons we were the king of 3 and outs, and check downs.

Like I said not a fan, and he's the easy target if things go south next month, but I'd like to see him with a solid line, a competent safety and a mature Cravens on the back line or in the middle.

 

[deanpet21]

I wouldn't say the defense won four games for us. I do agree that Barry doesn't have a lot to work with. It's kinda like the RG3 situatuon. He was so inept, that the coaching staff couldn't even evaluate the rest of the team. We thought we needed to overhaul the entire offensive line, and were questioning why with all the weapons we were the king of 3 and outs, and check downs.

Like I said not a fan, and he's the easy target if things go south next month, but I'd like to see him with a solid line, a competent safety and a mature Cravens on the back line or in the middle.

I just proved in multiple posts that the defense won 4 games for us. The offense kept on settling for Fg in the redzone and couldn't put the game away with TD's. So then the defense had to bail them out to win the game.

 

[Sharkinva]

Already proved the defense won 4 games for us.

And its a known fact that the defense is just as responsible for every loss or tie save for the Pittsburgh game where we flat got blown out.


I will say it like this... if the Offense does NOT put up 21 or more points we are shocked at this point and say.. the offense had a bad day.

If the Defense manages to NOT give up 20 points or more, its cause for a celebration. You realize this defense has given up 20 or more points in 10 out of 11 games.

 

[kbso83432]

I hear you Dean, but making a play at the end of the game ie Norman vs. Browns, Cravens vs. NY means they finished the game, not won it. The Browns ran all over us, and if not for a fumble at the end, we lose that game. Not to mention the ref that gave us the ball when the Browns clearly emerged from the pile with it.

So much happens in the courseof a game, to point to one play or two plays in kinda misleading. I though the defense, Hopkins, and Crowder clearly won the game in Baltimore, but the Giants moved the ball at will on us in the first half.

Some of these games the D did step up, but it just feels like Kirk has to be perfect for us to win, save the Ravens game.

 

[deanpet21]

And its a known fact that the defense is just as responsible for every loss or tie save for the Pittsburgh game where we flat got blown out.


I will say it like this... if the Offense does NOT put up 21 or more points we are shocked at this point and say.. the offense had a bad day.

If the Defense manages to NOT give up 20 points or more, its cause for a celebration. You realize this defense has given up 20 or more points in 10 out of 11 games.

I understand that but when its crunch time in the 4th qtr they delivered on the final drive of the four games I mentioned. You have to look at it game by game not just state overall numbers. KC was NOT putting games away for us in the first half of the season. That point should be documented. Now he is putting up huge numbers but still not cashing in the redzone. You cant blame the defense when the offense has to settle for short FG's.

 

[deanpet21]

I hear you Dean, but making a play at the end of the game ie Norman vs. Browns, Cravens vs. NY means they finished the game, not won it. The Browns ran all over us, and if not for a fumble at the end, we lose that game. Not to mention the ref that gave us the ball when the Browns clearly emerged from the pile with it.

So much happens in the courseof a game, to point to one play or two plays in kinda misleading. I though the defense, Hopkins, and Crowder clearly won the game in Baltimore, but the Giants moved the ball at will on us in the first half.

Some of these games the D did step up, but it just feels like Kirk has to be perfect for us to win, save the Ravens game.

No it means that they won it b/c the offense couldn't put the game away with a TD. That matters. That is why Hopkins was one of the league leaders in FG's b/c we couldn't score TD's. That reflectes on the defense.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I wouldn't say the defense won four games for us. I do agree that Barry doesn't have a lot to work with. It's kinda like the RG3 situatuon. He was so inept, that the coaching staff couldn't even evaluate the rest of the team. We thought we needed to overhaul the entire offensive line, and were questioning why with all the weapons we were the king of 3 and outs, and check downs.

Like I said not a fan, and he's the easy target if things go south next month, but I'd like to see him with a solid line, a competent safety and a mature Cravens on the back line or in the middle.

As I alluded to in another thread - my concern is can Barry develop the younger talent. Much more worried about this than the gameplans he uses for a given game. It is not as if the players are ready to go starting in their rookie year. They need to be properly coached along the way. We have seen that work well w/ the O line & Cousins.

On the flip side there might be some issues in this area with players such as Breeland and Smith but to be fair we have seen progress with players such as Murphy. I just want to see defensive players maximize their talent, and I am not sure if Barry & co are the rt coaches in this area. I am not saying that they are not - just not sure.

 

[kbso83432]

No it means that they won it b/c the offense couldn't put the game away with a TD. That matters. That is why Hopkins was one of the league leaders in FG's b/c we couldn't score TD's. That reflectes on the defense.

That's fair.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I understand that but when its crunch time in the 4th qtr they delivered on the final drive of the four games I mentioned. You have to look at it game by game not just state overall numbers. KC was NOT putting games away for us in the first half of the season. That point should be documented. Now he is putting up huge numbers but still not cashing in the redzone. You cant blame the defense when the offense has to settle for short FG's.

True but you can blame the defense for not stopping the opponents' running game. As I posted elsewhere they have yet to stop any team with a decent running game & this trend will likely continue for the remainder of this season.