So glad we decided.....

[ehb5]

How about fill out the rest of the roster to the point where all you are missing is a solid QB. You know the way we actually did the last time we won a Super Bowl. Or are you saying Joe Thiesman, Mark Rypen and Doug Williams were Franchise QBs?? In this town all a young supposed franchise QB is good for is selling Jerseys and causing the fan base to splinter. I miss the good old days where Skins fans would say.. DAmn it, this is OUR QB. He might not be the greatest in the world, but damn it he is OURS.

NOw all we seem to do is get left with the decision of are we a fan of the player or the team.

Because it won't work. The Bengals have a GREAT team and we all know they arent winning anything with Dalton. We need a franchise QB.

 

[JonBlaze]

There's no right way to do it. It's literally luck most of the time. Colts sucked once in the last 20 years. Just happened Andrew Luck was the prize of the draft.

I'd love if the skins could build the old way, but in today's nfl it's impossible. Smaller rosters, salary cap, free agency, etc gives teams limited windows. The teams always contending have one or two constants. Franchise QB and usually stable front office. Doesn't mean you reach on QB prospects, but doesn't mean you stop trying to find one either.

 

[skinsdad62]

Because it won't work. The Bengals have a GREAT team and we all know they arent winning anything with Dalton. We need a franchise QB.

simply not true , flacco isnt elite nor is wilson yet they won superbowls recently

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We've been through this before Dad. Flacco is not elite but we can certainly agree that when it comes playoff time he magically turns elite. Same thing with Eli. In both instances when those guys played elite, their team won big. When they play like they do in the regular season they are done early. And it's no stretch to assume that an elite QB will play at an elite level in the playoffs more often than an average QB. And again it's no accident that teams like Pittsburg, GB, New Orleans, Indy etc are in contention so often because of their QB. Again it's no accident that by far the teams standing at the end have elite QBs, the ones done early do not. And again look at the Bengals and the Vikes of a few years ago. Fantastic rosters, never won dick with average QBs.

As for Wilson again I consider him elite. He is great in big situations, the only reason he does not have gaudy "elite" numbers is the offensive system.


Here is the list of every SB starting QB. If you take a minute to look it over you will see that at most 1/3 were not elite and that is being generous. When you consider that there are only 8-10 elite QBs in a year that means 2/3 of all SB QBs were elite and they represent only 1/3 of all QBs. Those figures should make it pretty clear what an elite QB can do. History Release » Super Bowl Starting QBs

I can't believe anyone is actually arguing the need for a top QB, especially in today's NFL.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

There's no right way to do it. It's literally luck most of the time. Colts sucked once in the last 20 years. Just happened Andrew Luck was the prize of the draft.

I'd love if the skins could build the old way, but in today's nfl it's impossible. Smaller rosters, salary cap, free agency, etc gives teams limited windows. The teams always contending have one or two constants. Franchise QB and usually stable front office. Doesn't mean you reach on QB prospects, but doesn't mean you stop trying to find one either.

And what was the difference between Sucky Colts and playoff Colts? One position and it wasn't the safety.

 

[Sharkinva]

And what was the difference between Sucky Colts and playoff Colts? One position and it wasn't the safety.

SO I will ask yet again... who is the franchise QB in the 2016 draft that we should be hoping for?? And are you hoping the team this year sucks bad enough for us to have the #1 pick to ensure that we get said named savior?? Because if you cant name me the next Manning/Luck clone in this draft then its pointless to say we HAVE to take a QB next year. And if you are conceding that we must in fact find a franchise QB, then you are obviously hoping we suck enough to get said named savior. Hell we were 4-12 last year and it only got us the 5th pick. So we either reach on a guy most likely not worthy of the 5th pick, or we trade up to get the savior franchise QB you say we must have.

 

[j_y19]

SO I will ask yet again... who is the franchise QB in the 2016 draft that we should be hoping for?? And are you hoping the team this year sucks bad enough for us to have the #1 pick to ensure that we get said named savior?? Because if you cant name me the next Manning/Luck clone in this draft then its pointless to say we HAVE to take a QB next year. And if you are conceding that we must in fact find a franchise QB, then you are obviously hoping we suck enough to get said named savior. Hell we were 4-12 last year and it only got us the 5th pick. So we either reach on a guy most likely not worthy of the 5th pick, or we trade up to get the savior franchise QB you say we must have.

A Peyton or Luck only come around every 3-5 years. It's pure luck if you find yourself in a position to draft that caliber player. Folks need to get in their mind we are not going to have a franchise QB here for the foreseeable future. Doesn't mean we can't compete and get better with a tier 2 QB, but those guys need developing and must be surrounded early in their careers with talent so they don't have to do it all. Hence, if we find ourselves this year with a high pick, look to leverage it to some other desperate sap who hasn't learned the lesson yet. Take a QB in later rounds and let him develop for a few years.

 

[Sharkinva]

j_y... I think alot of folks around here wont admit it openly. But they are hoping the team and in particular Cousins and Gruden fail. Cousins because some still feel Griffin was given a raw deal, and Gruden because he has failed to fix RG3.

What they fail to realize is that we are the poster children for insanity. We continue to do the same general things over and over ( fire coaches, draft or sign players based on sizzle factor), and yet expect different results.

 

[skinsdad62]

shark , to me , there isnt a franchise qb out there next draft . you could get a very good qb but not a franchise guy

and shark you and i have debated since espn and the JC era . i never advocated trading picks to move up for JC , bradford sanchez or 3sus

i have said all along build up the LOS on both sides of the ball and then go for your qb

hackenburg holds the ball too long , cardale is inexperienced , goff and cook is mechanical

 

[Sharkinva]

shark , to me , there isnt a franchise qb out there next draft . you could get a very good qb but not a franchise guy

and shark you and i have debated since espn and the JC era . i never advocated trading picks to move up for JC , bradford sanchez or 3sus

i have said all along build up the LOS on both sides of the ball and then go for your qb

hackenburg holds the ball too long , cardale is inexperienced , goff and cook is mechanical

Dad.. when Sanchez and even to an extent Bradford were in the conversation, I though as a whole we were a better team because we had or atleast assumed we would have a solid defense. JC I always saw as a mistake. And when it came time for the deal for RG3, my reservations were both that we didnt have the team to support a rookie QB, and the fact that i expected Griffin to turn out to be a Mike Vick clone, all flash very little substance.

As for next years draft... I agree there is no sure fire franchise QB and short of a complete failure this year, I dont think we end up in a position to take Cardale in any case.

 

[j_y19]

j_y... I think alot of folks around here wont admit it openly. But they are hoping the team and in particular Cousins and Gruden fail. Cousins because some still feel Griffin was given a raw deal, and Gruden because he has failed to fix RG3.

What they fail to realize is that we are the poster children for insanity. We continue to do the same general things over and over ( fire coaches, draft or sign players based on sizzle factor), and yet expect different results.

I agree. People complain about how effed up this franchise is, but one of the biggest problems is a lack of stability. We keep throwing everything out every 2 years and start over. I think some suffer from Stockholm syndrome in that they have adopted the characteristics of Snyder even though the bitch about him. The best thing that can happen to this team is if KC gets a legitimate chance to make mistakes, learn, and grow into a decent QB. He will never be a top 5, but he has the skills to be a to 10-15. And that will buy us time to find a young QB to groom as his replacement. The same goes true for Gruden. I hope he figures it out and is our coach for the next 10 years. that just means we have turned the corner. I have my concerns about Gruden. But lets be real about the situation he found himself in. Between the back office political back stabbing and meddling, the disappointment in finding out about the real RG3, and a press looking to tear him and the team up and every turn, he hasn't had a fair chance. He still hasn't had the opportunity to install his plan with his people. So how can we really judge his success? Thats like asking a carpenter to build you a house, but he has to keep his hands tied behind his back. Oh, and you can only use contractors I bring you.

 

[j_y19]

shark , to me , there isnt a franchise qb out there next draft . you could get a very good qb but not a franchise guy

and shark you and i have debated since espn and the JC era . i never advocated trading picks to move up for JC , bradford sanchez or 3sus

i have said all along build up the LOS on both sides of the ball and then go for your qb

hackenburg holds the ball too long , cardale is inexperienced , goff and cook is mechanical

If we could get a Goff in the 3rd or 4th round, I might take a chance on him. Cook is really inaccurate. He is only a 50% completion guy and thats in college. He will be an INT machine in the pros. Cardale is big and a pretty good runner, reminds me of Rothlesberg, but there are a bunch of red flags with that guy. Again, I wouldn't use a high 1st on him. 2nd? Maybe.

 

[mall3013]

To trade up for Griffin instead of staying put and taking Tannehill. I mean after all we had 3 first rounders and a second rounder inactive today. Mean while the guy we decided was not worthy of a single first rounder just handed us our asses while the guy we deemed was worth 4 high picks was inactive yet again. MAster card moment... fucking priceless!!!!

 

[JonBlaze]

SO I will ask yet again... who is the franchise QB in the 2016 draft that we should be hoping for?? And are you hoping the team this year sucks bad enough for us to have the #1 pick to ensure that we get said named savior?? Because if you cant name me the next Manning/Luck clone in this draft then its pointless to say we HAVE to take a QB next year. And if you are conceding that we must in fact find a franchise QB, then you are obviously hoping we suck enough to get said named savior. Hell we were 4-12 last year and it only got us the 5th pick. So we either reach on a guy most likely not worthy of the 5th pick, or we trade up to get the savior franchise QB you say we must have.

I don't see anyone saying they need to suck to get a franchise QB. The problem with your argument is that you're assuming franchise QBs must be picked in the top of the 1st round. That's not always the case, but I think the team still needs to invest in a young QB as it's obvious to me that Cousins and RG3 is not the answer.

 

[ehb5]

simply not true , flacco isnt elite nor is wilson yet they won superbowls recently

They may not be elite but they are better than Tannehill - which is where this all started. You need a good QB - they are both good to very good. Ideally you have a great QB but regardless a good QB is most likely to be found in the 1st round.

BAL and SEA didnt win SBs despite their QB play. Their QBs were huge parts of them winning SBs.

 

[Sharkinva]

They may not be elite but they are better than Tannehill - which is where this all started. You need a good QB - they are both good to very good. Ideally you have a great QB but regardless a good QB is most likely to be found in the 1st round.

BAL and SEA didnt win SBs despite their QB play. Their QBs were huge parts of them winning SBs.

Thats your opinion. It has not been proven out as of yet. And i would wager to say that many hold this opinion based on the fact that we deemed him unworthy and screwed the pooch in the process by taking Griffin. Because simply pt, If Tannehill does win a Super Bowl, or even comes close.. it just proves even more so that we fucked up in taking Griffin. And many refuse to admit this.

 

[ehb5]

Thats your opinion. It has not been proven out as of yet. And i would wager to say that many hold this opinion based on the fact that we deemed him unworthy and screwed the pooch in the process by taking Griffin. Because simply pt, If Tannehill does win a Super Bowl, or even comes close.. it just proves even more so that we fucked up in taking Griffin. And many refuse to admit this.

No, Im pretty confident because the numbers and game tape back it up. Ryan Tannehill is average at best. He could theoretically develop but QBs dont usually develop like that. Development also isnt guaranteed with anybody and for somebody whos been below average to average for 3 years.

More importantly than Tannehill though, Im curious how you want us to build this team and find a QB?

 

[Sharkinva]

No, Im pretty confident because the numbers and game tape back it up. Ryan Tannehill is average at best. He could theoretically develop but QBs dont usually develop like that. Development also isnt guaranteed with anybody and for somebody whos been below average to average for 3 years.

More importantly than Tannehill though, Im curious how you want us to build this team and find a QB?

Actually the numbers and the game tape say he has improved every year he has been in the league. His passer rating has gone up, his completions to attempts has gone up. And most fucking importantly, he has managed to stay healthy and PLAY in every game that he was available. The only reason he has more sacks and INTs than Griffin is because he has played in more games.


So I will ask, what more do you want than a guy who has improved every year, managed to stay healthy for every game, doesnt say stupid shit every time he opens his mouth and finally doesnt have a tendency to throw both his coaches and team mates under the bus for every poor performance he has??

You would prefer some one who had one good year and quickly declined I take it??

Oh and by the way.. Tannehill was #11 on the QB list last year.. one step behind Brady. So thats hardly below average.

 

[Sharkinva]

AS for building this team and finding a QB... stop going for the flash in the pan guys. Look for a solid player who is coachable and realize he will take time to develop. This team has been so much about instant greatness and it has FAILED. At every turn. Cousins should start the entire year win or lose because simply put any other option has already shown to be a failure. Drafting a QB in the first round should be out of the question, because if we are picking in the top 5 picks, we have more issues than QB, and NONE of the guys rated as top ten are worthy of the pick.

BUild the team, and you can get away with a Wilson, Tannehill or for fuck sake even a Cousins.

 

[Breed]

simply not true , flacco isnt elite nor is wilson yet they won superbowls recently

I think Wilson's elite. Its just in an unusual way, and he's smart.

I go back and forth on Flacco, but if he isn't elite. He's a hellified gambler cuz he bet on himself at the perfect time.

Blaze is right though. There is no right way to get a stud QB.

The "build a team first." way needs a FO and coaching staff all working towards the same common goal.

The "trade a boatload of picks." way can also work, but is probably the most risky of ways.

The "Be like the Colts and have 2 great QBs fall right into your lap at just the perfect time." is probably the least likely way.

There's a few other ways as well.