So, Howard tells Rockets he wants a 3rd superstar?

[Black Adam]

ok, well for fun's sake i'll go first. ranking them from top to bottom I have...


2001 Lakers. beat the 76'ers in 5 games went 15-1 in that years' playoffs. no one beats this team. NO ONE...

2002 Lakers. beat the Nets in 6. down side of their 3peat, but imo the '01 team was better, though not by much...

2008 Celtics. almost forgot to put these guys in. imo(as much as I HATE to admit it) lightning in a bottle...

2007 Spurs. very good team that season with some very nice depth imo. 3rd on the list...

2001 Lakers. they squeeked by the Kings that season(SOME say the refs helped a lot) but imo they were one of the better teams of the decade, though 4th imo on this list...

2009 Lakers. I know, but imo this team is STILL in the top half of the stack. beat the Magic in 5...

2003 Spurs. beat the Nets in 6...

here imo it starts to get dicey...

2012 Heat. had to put them in SOMEWHERE(i'll wash my mouth out with soap later), but imo better last season than this one. at least appeared more dominant...

2006 Heat. respected their fight whipping a better Mavs team imo...

2010 Lakers. classic series between them and the C's. matter of simply who wanted it more...

2013 Heat. there. that's where I put this year's Heat team. hey, I didn't rank 'em last...

2011 Mavericks. out-maneuvered the Heat and took 'em in 6, closing 'em out on their own floor...

2004 Pistons. sorry, i'll still give 'em props for being a cohesive unit. they weren't that talented, but knew how to play together...

2005 Spurs. rounds out the list. so there ya have it. that's where I'D put 'em...

 

[trojanfan12]

im just glad i dont have to see the dude picking his nose anymore.

Thought it was time to get ready for cfb!! I can bring it back if you'd like!!

 

[bksballer89]

The 2013 Heat are better than the 2012 Heat...Not even close.

You claim the 2012 team was more dominant which is not really true. Last year we had the luxury of playing an inexperienced OKC team who never been there and does not matches up well with Miami and got their ass kicked. This year they played a more experienced team which led to a longer series.

Both conference finals went 7 games. The only round that was longer this year was the finals.

Last year they needed 5 to get out of round 1 while this year they only needed 4. Last year they needed 6 to get out of round 2 while this year they only needed 5.

The Heat won games this yr by an avg of 8 points this year while last year it was at 6 points so yeah the 2013 team was clearly the more dominant.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You are all over the place.

I do think a lot of Laker fans here act like morons, that's my opinion.

I do think the Lakers will be down for a few to several years. That is also my opinion.
I didn't say suck. I just envision them as 5-8 seeds likely losing in round 1 or 2.

I never said you said they'd suck!! I said that you said they'd be down for the forseeable future, which you have. I get that it's your opinion, but it ignores that the Lakers are poised to do excactly what they Heat just did 3 seasons ago to get them where they are today!!

The Heat Haters thread also has you confused. Heat fans lie the Heat being hated, because that means they are winning. The issue we have is the denial of the reasons for the hate. It's pretty hard to make someone believe that you could hate a team for3 years because of a tv show, fan celebration and tattoos when your team is/was loaded with some of the biggest clowns/ thugs/ jerks of this decade in the NBA.

Who are you to try and tell others why they hate your team and/or put a time limit on that hate. You can try and claim whatever you want re: why someone hates your team, but it doesn't make those people in denial, it makes you an idiot for trying to tell someone else why they don't like your team rather than just accept what they say. Particularly when the reasons they give NEVER change!!

You see plenty of posters on this and other boards hating on the Lakers. But do you know what you never see? You never see Laker fans trying to tell those other fans why they hate the Lakers or claiming that they are denying the real reason why they hate the Lakers!!

Do you know why you don't see that? Because Laker fans don't care. We accept people hating our team and we like it because we know that if your hated, you're probably winning a lot of games!! You claim that you like the hate, but you want to try and tell others what the acceptable reasons are and/or tell them "it's time to get over it"!!


As far as the summer of 14' , who (and let's assume not James) are you signing that makes you contenders?

Why are we assuming not James? Any free agent is in play, I don't know who the Lakers will sign. What I do know is that it will be a very strong free agent class and that there will be few, in any, free agents that are unwilling to listen to what they offer!!

Until I see a Laker roster with actual names on it that makes me believe they are good enough to contend, you are just going to have to live with my opinion that they won't.

And I guess you'll just have to live with my opinion that they will. And guess whose opinion history (there's that word you don't like) sides with? *Hint: it's not yours!!

As far as posts/ threads. I comment on all sorts of topics, and the Lakers just happen to be a pretty popular topic.

So are the Heat, but I guess it's okay for you to comment, post and start threads about the Lakers, but it's a problem for you if Laker fans do the same re: the Heat!! Or maybe it's just CL posting about the Heat that you have a problem with!! After all, you have been known to count how many times he posts in a day!!

I actually started this thread which isn't a Laker thread, it is a Howard thread, and as today, he certainly is not current Laker property, is he?

Congratulations on starting one thread that wasn't Laker related (sort of)!!

And you really need to learn how to use the quote feature!!

I'll keep it shorter. You think people hate the Lakers because they are good, but people dislike the back to back champions and 3 year in a row finalists because of a TV show? Ok The Laker fans resent the Heat/James because you were the darlings and the attention of the NBA until the day James said he was taking his talents to South Beach. It is what it us. If one lies for 3 years about the reasons, that doesn't make it true , does it?


Heading in to 2010 FA, the Heat had Wade in his prime helping to recruit the best F A class ever ( and very successfully). Other then the Heats Big 3, who is in this great FA pool next summer?
You get James, you will quickly get my attention and a different point of view. He's not going to come to LA though. There is NO reason too.

As far as history, which you keep mentioning, doesn't that mean in the past?
If Howard leaves, does that rank with what your perception of Laker history is all about?
If you can't sign your own, now, knowing that you still would have $$ next summer, then why should anyone believe it will be different next summer?

Wouldn't LA possibly be more appealing to James next summer if Howard was there?
Does Howard not know this?
Yet, he's much more then likely still leaving, so please tell me why?

Lastly, for 3 years you have flopped big time in the playoffs, so no matter what you say, you are not contenders again until you actually contend.

It's not happening next year. Reality is if Howard leaves you are much closer to a lottery team then a top 4 seed.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

ok, well for fun's sake i'll go first. ranking them from top to bottom I have...


2001 Lakers. beat the 76'ers in 5 games went 15-1 in that years' playoffs. no one beats this team. NO ONE...

2002 Lakers. beat the Nets in 6. down side of their 3peat, but imo the '01 team was better, though not by much...

2008 Celtics. almost forgot to put these guys in. imo(as much as I HATE to admit it) lightning in a bottle...

2007 Spurs. very good team that season with some very nice depth imo. 3rd on the list...

2001 Lakers. they squeeked by the Kings that season(SOME say the refs helped a lot) but imo they were one of the better teams of the decade, though 4th imo on this list...

2009 Lakers. I know, but imo this team is STILL in the top half of the stack. beat the Magic in 5...

2003 Spurs. beat the Nets in 6...

here imo it starts to get dicey...

2012 Heat. had to put them in SOMEWHERE(i'll wash my mouth out with soap later), but imo better last season than this one. at least appeared more dominant...

2006 Heat. respected their fight whipping a better Mavs team imo...

2010 Lakers. classic series between them and the C's. matter of simply who wanted it more...

2013 Heat. there. that's where I put this year's Heat team. hey, I didn't rank 'em last...

2011 Mavericks. out-maneuvered the Heat and took 'em in 6, closing 'em out on their own floor...

2004 Pistons. sorry, i'll still give 'em props for being a cohesive unit. they weren't that talented, but knew how to play together...

2005 Spurs. rounds out the list. so there ya have it. that's where I'D put 'em...

This years Heat was better then last years. You are not giving the Spurs the credit they deserve.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

BK and I would refute that.

Spoles has a better winning % in the playoffs and regular season. Spoles has beaten Doc the last two times they met in the playoffs. Including down 3-2. Spoles has more rings.

Which metric can you give me that Doc is better? Because people on tv told you so?

I agree, what has Doc ever done that people didn't think his teams could accomplish?

Spoesltra has the advantage of having James, but he also is a very bright coach that always seems to find a way to respond to changes the opposite coaches make. Well, at least ever since the loss to the Mavs.

 

[jayviabay]

TurnUp, what makes you think every Lakers fan hates the heat? I can see if we lost to them in the finals more than once or we were battling them for the most championships. I think most lakers fan hate rivals in the west and the celtics only? So, really it comes down to spurs and celtics. If the Heat stays on top of the East that means the Celtics dont have a chance to add to their total and to Lakernation that is ideal. This is why I bring up history, there is no reason to hate the heat because we dont have a history against/with the heat.

 

[Kold]

So speaking of when times were tough with Doc as a coach, lets look at every win total when "times were rough".....in 1999,Doc Rivers lead the Orlando Magic with NO superstar , and with names like Bo Outlaw and Ben Wallace to a 41-41 season. In 2000 with T-mac, he lead Orlando to a 43-39 record and a 1st rd playoff exit. Now remember T-mac and Grant Hill were supposed to make the Magic the next superstar team but as we all know Grant Hill barely played any games and T-Mac had his injury problems as well. 2001-2002, 44 wins with T-Mac and nobody, 2002-2003, 42 wins with T-Mac and nobody. First year in 04-05 with the Celtics, 45 wins and they won the Atlantic Division title. In 05-06, they went 33-49, 06-07, while losing Paul Pierce to injury, they went 24-58. So as you see they were plenty of times where Doc did decent with no kind of decent team.

You can argue playoff percentage and regular season wins with Spoles, but the fact is Doc spent WAY more seasons with nothing than Spoelstra did.

 

[Kold]

Oh and about the early 2000 championship teams. 2001 Lakers and stop at that. I have never and will never see anything like that again in my lifetime.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

TurnUp, what makes you think every Lakers fan hates the heat? I can see if we lost to them in the finals more than once or we were battling them for the most championships. I think most lakers fan hate rivals in the west and the celtics only? So, really it comes down to spurs and celtics. If the Heat stays on top of the East that means the Celtics dont have a chance to add to their total and to Lakernation that is ideal. This is why I bring up history, there is no reason to hate the heat because we dont have a history against/with the heat.

Didn't ever say "all".
Same handfull.
Your post makes total sense and I agree with it 100%.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

So speaking of when times were tough with Doc as a coach, lets look at every win total when "times were rough".....in 1999,Doc Rivers lead the Orlando Magic with NO superstar , and with names like Bo Outlaw and Ben Wallace to a 41-41 season. In 2000 with T-mac, he lead Orlando to a 43-39 record and a 1st rd playoff exit. Now remember T-mac and Grant Hill were supposed to make the Magic the next superstar team but as we all know Grant Hill barely played any games and T-Mac had his injury problems as well. 2001-2002, 44 wins with T-Mac and nobody, 2002-2003, 42 wins with T-Mac and nobody. First year in 04-05 with the Celtics, 45 wins and they won the Atlantic Division title. In 05-06, they went 33-49, 06-07, while losing Paul Pierce to injury, they went 24-58. So as you see they were plenty of times where Doc did decent with no kind of decent team.

You can argue playoff percentage and regular season wins with Spoles, but the fact is Doc spent WAY more seasons with nothing than Spoelstra did.

Forget the 15 win season for obvious reasons, but besides that, Spoelstra grinded out a couple of 5 seeds with not a whole lot other then Wade.

I think they are both very good coaches, and maybe I am biased, but if I had to choose one or the other to lead my team, I take Spoelstra.

 

[piss-tons]

How would you rank those teams? Do you compare their dominance in their respective seasons? If so then the 2013 Heat are near the top, probably #2. If you compare the Heat to the other championship winners, then all the Lakers team with a prime Shaq, the 07 Spurs, and MAYBE the 2011 Mavericks would be better, although people are short selling the 2004 pistons team. They had no weak spots defensively, and Prince would be able to defend Lebron as well as anyone. The 2013 Heat's defense would win it for them but still. In terms of dominating a season I think this Heat is a top 15 team all time, but if you compare them to other teams, their weak spot becomes very noticeable since the history of the NBA has practically been of big men.

 

[Kold]

Forget the 15 win season for obvious reasons, but besides that, Spoelstra grinded out a couple of 5 seeds with not a whole lot other then Wade.

I think they are both very good coaches, and maybe I am biased, but if I had to choose one or the other to lead my team, I take Spoelstra.

and to each his own. I give Spoelstra credit for what he did, I just would take Doc over him.

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

that's all well and good. you WILL pardon me if I don't bow or genuflect I hope...

I was going to Lakers games at the Forums in 1979. Fuck you.

And rooting for them that long to start rooting against them because of a player you dont like, is being a fake fan. So fuck you!

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

I was going to Lakers games at the Forums in 1979. Fuck you.

And rooting for them that long to start rooting against them because of a player you dont like, is being a fake fan. So fuck you!

 

[bksballer89]

shots fired

 

[bksballer89]

Why would Dallas be the stupid choice? Great owner, veteran team with a lot of young talent, lots of cap space.....

Houston and GSW are better win NOW teams, but that does not make Dallas a stupid choice.

Just saw this. The reason I say Dallas is a stupid choice is because Dirk is old and is coming to the end of his career. So it is basically the same situation as the Lakers with Kobe but the difference is free agents are more likely to sign with LAL instead of Dallas.

If he goes to the Lakers or Dallas, both are risk because by signing with one of those teams he is banking on that team making a big signing/trade after their franchise player retires in 2-3 years (Kobe and Dirk). It is a risk because if they're unable to make a big move it becomes Orlando all over again.

 

[Clayton]

2001 Lakers. Dominant, talented, well coached
2008 Celtics. Probably would've been #1 if Ray Allen was more consistent leading up to the Finals
2000 Lakers. Probably could've been #1 in Kobe stayed healthy in the Finals
2010 Lakers. The injury of a role player on the Cs was the difference
2005 Spurs. The best of the boring teams
2004 Pistons. I don't think them beating the Lakers was a fluke
2013 Heat. Im trying not to overrate their regular season
2009 Lakers. I think this team would be easier to place if KG was healthy that year
2007 Spurs. I actually think the 09 Lakers took out the better Nash team
2012 Heat. Very hard to rate because OKC might not stand the test of time as a finals opponent
2003 Spurs. Top 2 MVP candidates collided but the East was weak back then
2006 Heat. DWade was Jordan-like in the playoffs..a bit of a fluke run
2011 Mavericks. Beat teams that weren't ready to take the title
2002 Lakers*

 

[bksballer89]

A healthy Lakers with Howard is better and will be favorites against the Mavs and Rockets.

Lakers are an old team and therefore injuries will happen. I agree that a healthy lakers with howard is better than Dallas and Houston but with such an old team you tend to breakdown later in the season

 

[bksballer89]

2001 Lakers. Dominant, talented, well coached
2008 Celtics. Probably would've been #1 if Ray Allen was more consistent leading up to the Finals
2000 Lakers. Probably could've been #1 in Kobe stayed healthy in the Finals
2010 Lakers. The injury of a role player on the Cs was the difference
2005 Spurs. The best of the boring teams
2004 Pistons. I don't think them beating the Lakers was a fluke
2013 Heat. Im trying not to overrate their regular season
2009 Lakers. I think this team would be easier to place if KG was healthy that year
2006 Heat. DWade was Jordan-like in the playoffs
2007 Spurs. I actually think the 09 Lakers took out the better Nash team
2012 Heat. Very hard to rate because OKC might not stand the test of time as a finals opponent
2003 Spurs. Top 2 MVP candidates collided but the East was weak back then
2011 Mavericks. Beat teams that weren't ready to take the title
2002 Lakers*

2010 Lakers are too high. I think the 09 Lakers, 05 Spurs, 04 Pistons, and 13 Heat were better.

If any list of the best title teams doesn't start with the 01 Lakers, I advise that person to see a neurologist soon.