Game Thread: #7 Notre Dame @ #3 Georgia, 8 pm EST, CBS

[craigk217]

i never put the loss on the pi non call. i blamed the ND penalties.

now how about you go back under your rock, and obsess about kelly and ND football.

Oh really?

OK … exactly, what penalties are you "putting the loss on" then ? Please articulate. I've articulated … give it a try, it's mentally freeing, TBH.

This is beyond fng laughable, now.

 

[desert heat]

LOL

Going into the Cotton Bowl Notre Dame had averaged the exact same recruiting ranking than Clemson the five previous year, and had actually signed nineteen more players over that time period than Clemson. Kinda blows your theory out of the water.

a recruiting ranking? lol

how many conscientious all americans?

 

[craigk217]

Moving goalposts seems popular debating tactics, now. lolz

 

[desert heat]

Oh really?

OK … exactly, what penalties are you "putting the loss on" then ? Please articulate. I've articulated … give it a try, it's mentally freeing, TBH.

This is beyond fng laughable, now.

i've said many times, the nd penalties were the difference. you even agreed with me. i'm just not 100% blaming kelly for them.

and i have better things to do than argue with an idiot.

out.

 

[Kaplony]

a recruiting ranking? lol

how many conscientious all americans?

All of Clemson's All-Americans under Dabo Swinney have been conscientious. They wouldn't be in the program if they weren't doing the right thing.

But if you mean consensus All-Americans I fail to see what that does to bolster your argument. What a player does after they get to college is dependent upon the player doing the work and the coaching staff developing the talent. The recruiting classes were judged to have equal talent, and Notre Dame brought in essentially an entire signing class more players over the five year period so they should have been more talented. Developing players is a coaching responsibility as well.

 

[craigk217]

i've said many times, the nd penalties were the difference. you even agreed with me. i'm just not 100% blaming kelly for them.

and i have better things to do than argue with an idiot.

out.

Says the guy that won't own up to his own foibles even after I put Brian Kelly's own words on full display.

Says the guy that, specifically, points out that ND doesn't possess the talent level of other powerhouses … then another poster points out this is really not the case … then you, apparently, refuse to acknowledge recruiting class rankings as a non-factor and, instead, move goalpost to … how did you say "conscientious All-Americans"? LMAO

Do you even college football, bro? Go stick with the NFL.

 

[desert heat]

All of Clemson's All-Americans under Dabo Swinney have been conscientious. They wouldn't be in the program if they weren't doing the right thing.

But if you mean consensus All-Americans I fail to see what that does to bolster your argument. What a player does after they get to college is dependent upon the player doing the work and the coaching staff developing the talent. The recruiting classes were judged to have equal talent, and Notre Dame brought in essentially an entire signing class more players over the five year period so they should have been more talented. Developing players is a coaching responsibility as well.

thats the point ace, clemson has more talent. it's more difficult to recruit at notre dame. high school football players don't all have 4.0 gpa's and want to become catholic. nd's had very few consensus all americans, over the last couple of decades.

and you're saying nd has top recruiting classes, but don't do a good job of recruiting? lol

 

[Kaplony]

thats the point ace, clemson has more talent. it's more difficult to recruit at notre dame. high school football players don't all have 4.0 gpa's and want to become catholic. nd's had very few consensus all americans, over the last couple of decades.

So despite having relatively equally ranked recruiting classes in the five previous recruiting cycles AND bringing in more players, enough to count as a SIXTH recruiting class Clemson had more talent than Notre Dame?

You aren't making your case that Notre Dame's problems aren't coaching related. It's either recruiting (a coaching responsibility) or player development (also a coaching responsibility)

and you're saying nd has top recruiting classes, but don't do a good job of recruiting? lol

I think Notre Dame does a solid job recruiting. What they are lacking is player development. All you heard from ND fans after the Cotton Bowl was "We lost one of our best defensive players when you scored all your points." All for a 4th round pick. Clemson played the entire playoffs without one of their best defensive players, a first round draft pick, and won both games. Why? Clemson develops it's players and plays them throughout the year to gain experience. In 2018 Clemson averaged playing 72 players per game. Last night they played 111 or 113 who dressed for the Charlotte game.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I just watched the highlights and @desert rat seems adamant that the 4th down play at the end of the game was PI, but he refuses to acknowledge that ND doesn’t get the ball back all if they call PI on the third down play of UGA’s last Drive where the ND defended was pulling the UGA down by the front collar before the ball got there. Fucking coward.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

What a fan looking only at one side of the officiating???? Nooooo

 

[desert heat]

So despite having relatively equally ranked recruiting classes in the five previous recruiting cycles AND bringing in more players, enough to count as a SIXTH recruiting class Clemson had more talent than Notre Dame?

You aren't making your case that Notre Dame's problems aren't coaching related. It's either recruiting (a coaching responsibility) or player development (also a coaching responsibility)



I think Notre Dame does a solid job recruiting. What they are lacking is player development. All you heard from ND fans after the Cotton Bowl was "We lost one of our best defensive players when you scored all your points." All for a 4th round pick. Clemson played the entire playoffs without one of their best defensive players, a first round draft pick, and won both games. Why? Clemson develops it's players and plays them throughout the year to gain experience. In 2018 Clemson averaged playing 72 players per game. Last night they played 111 or 113 who dressed for the Charlotte game.

what's your point? kelly's team does a good job recruiting, ND has a high recruiting ranking, or they don't? you stated kelly is not doing a good job recruiting, yet are ranked 6th in recruiting class. your statement doesn't make sense.

so now you're saying kelly's team does a good job recruiting they just don't develop the talent? oooook.

Isn't talent evaluation and acquisition a part of coaching?

 

[Kaplony]

what's your point? kelly's team does a good job recruiting, ND has a high recruiting ranking, or they don't? you stated kelly is not doing a good job recruiting, yet are ranked 6th in recruiting class. your statement doesn't make sense.

so now you're saying kelly's team does a good job recruiting they just don't develop the talent? oooook.

You've talked yourself in so many circles in this thread trying to make your nonsensical points you don't even know what you are arguing any more.

At no point have I stated that Kelly doesn't do a good job recruiting. If anything I'm defending ND's talent level. If you can point out where I have said that I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.

So far the only person who has questioned ND's talent in this thread is YOU

notre dame doesn't have a coaching problem, they have a talent problem. the teams they've lost to in big games, clemson, georgia, alabama, ohio state are stacked.

If Notre Dame has a talent problem (as you claimed not me) despite having comparable recruiting classes then the simple fact is they aren't developing the talent they do have like comparable programs are. So which is it?

 

[desert heat]

You've talked yourself in so many circles in this thread trying to make your nonsensical points you don't even know what you are arguing any more.

At no point have I stated that Kelly doesn't do a good job recruiting. If anything I'm defending ND's talent level. If you can point out where I have said that I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.

So far the only person who has questioned ND's talent in this thread is YOU



If Notre Dame has a talent problem (as you claimed not me) despite having comparable recruiting classes then the simple fact is they aren't developing the talent they do have like comparable programs are. So which is it?

you stated it right here.

Isn't talent evaluation and acquisition a part of coaching?

and you aren't defending ND football you're trying to pump up clemson football.

Which Power 5 football conferences boast the most 5-star recruits for the 2020 class thus far?

What Clemson has accomplished this recruiting cycle isn’t fair. All six of the ACC’s five-star recruits are committed to the school, while the No. 2 and 4 prospects in the country -- Hammond School (Columbia, S.C.) defensive end Jordan Burch and Upland (Ca.) linebacker Justin Flowe -- are also strongly considering the Tigers.

 

[Kaplony]

you stated it right here.

Incorrect. I wished only for you to clarify your circuitous defense of Brian Kelly since you claimed that ND's issues aren't a coaching problem but saying it's a talent problem when talent acquisition and development is a coaching responsibility.

and you aren't defending ND football you're trying to pump up clemson football.

Which Power 5 football conferences boast the most 5-star recruits for the 2020 class thus far?

What Clemson has accomplished this recruiting cycle isn’t fair. All six of the ACC’s five-star recruits are committed to the school, while the No. 2 and 4 prospects in the country -- Hammond School (Columbia, S.C.) defensive end Jordan Burch and Upland (Ca.) linebacker Justin Flowe -- are also strongly considering the Tigers.

I'm trying to figure out what the 2020 recruiting class has to do with a game in the 2019 season but I've seen your posting history long enough to know that you aren't afraid to go completely off the rails to defend your position even when you know it's wrong.

 

[desert heat]

Incorrect. I wished only for you to clarify your circuitous defense of Brian Kelly since you claimed that ND's issues aren't a coaching problem but saying it's a talent problem when talent acquisition and development is a coaching responsibility.



I'm trying to figure out what the 2020 recruiting class has to do with a game in the 2019 season but I've seen your posting history long enough to know that you aren't afraid to go completely off the rails to defend your position even when you know it's wrong.

kelly was ap coach of the year in 2018. i guess the voters are all wrong and message board experts like you are right.

what year would you like to compare?

2.2-million square miles with no 5-star recruits

 

[Kaplony]

kelly was ap coach of the year in 2018. i guess the voters are all wrong and message board experts like you are right.

He probably should have been coach of the year getting a team to the playoffs who's defense was crippled by the loss of a single player for part of a game like ND fans claim about the Cotton Bowl.

what year would you like to compare?

2.2-million square miles with no 5-star recruits

We can compare any year you'd like, you are still going to lose the argument.

But since you brought up 2017 with your article let's see how that year worked out recruiting-wise

2017 Football Team Rankings

Appears to me that ND finished ranked 10th in recruiting in 2017 and Clemson finished 16th. Notre Dame also signed seven more players than Clemson that year.

As for the two 5 stars Clemson signed that year, both were offered by Notre Dame and one was located in Indiana only 2 1/2 hours from South Bend compared to 8 1/2 hours from Clemson. Only one of those two five stars was on the team last year when Clemson beat ND.

 

[desert heat]

He probably should have been coach of the year getting a team to the playoffs who's defense was crippled by the loss of a single player for part of a game like ND fans claim about the Cotton Bowl.



We can compare any year you'd like, you are still going to lose the argument.

But since you brought up 2017 with your article let's see how that year worked out recruiting-wise

2017 Football Team Rankings

Appears to me that ND finished ranked 10th in recruiting in 2017 and Clemson finished 16th. Notre Dame also signed seven more players than Clemson that year.

As for the two 5 stars Clemson signed that year, both were offered by Notre Dame and one was located in Indiana only 2 1/2 hours from South Bend compared to 8 1/2 hours from Clemson. Only one of those two five stars was on the team last year when Clemson beat ND.

so he deserved coach of the year for the 3rd time but can't develop talent. makes perfect sense.

recruiting rankings are essentially meaningless, however, being ranked 10-20 is not the same as being ranked 1-5 which is where sec teams, osu, etc., are typically ranked.

clemson is ranked above ND in recruiting nearly every year, including 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. if you think ND has as much talent as clemson, i have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Kaplony]

so he deserved coach of the year for the 3rd time but can't develop talent. makes perfect sense.

recruiting rankings are essentially meaningless, however, being ranked 10-20 is not the same as being ranked 1-5 which is where sec teams, osu, etc., are typically ranked.

clemson is ranked above ND in recruiting nearly every year, including 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. if you think ND has as much talent as clemson, i have a bridge to sell you.

If they didn’t have enough talent last year then it’s because they didn’t develop it or they can’t evaluate because the previous three recruiting classes averaged out to the same ranking except they signed 19 more players than Clemson over the five year period essentially giving them a sixth recruiting class to Clemson’s five.

 

[desert heat]

If they didn’t have enough talent last year then it’s because they didn’t develop it or they can’t evaluate because the previous three recruiting classes averaged out to the same ranking except they signed 19 more players than Clemson over the five year period essentially giving them a sixth recruiting class to Clemson’s five.

you don't teach size, strength, and speed, ace.

you provided a link and clemson ranks above ND in every recent recruiting year except 2017. if notre dame ranks 10-15 in recruiting why should they be expected to finish near the top of the year end rankings each year?

i realize you hate notre dame, and feel you are superior simply for being a clemson fan, but you really are nothing more than a super fan who probably watches because you can't do.

 

[jjc2009]

I just watched the highlights and @desert rat seems adamant that the 4th down play at the end of the game was PI, but he refuses to acknowledge that ND doesn’t get the ball back all if they call PI on the third down play of UGA’s last Drive where the ND defended was pulling the UGA down by the front collar before the ball got there. Fucking coward.

FTR I know not one ND fan that thinks they last play was PI. Even on the most partisan boards nobody is making they claim. Because if they were being at all honest there were a lot of no calls in that game. Moreover I don’t think ANY of the no calls were particularly egregious. Credit to the zebras. They let them play.