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Zeke Elliott Reportedly Holding Out of Training Camp

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How is it moot. With your money for insurance it would cost him half of his net worth. He can’t risk 100 million dollars. Shit, Rod Tidwells wife didn’t want him to risk a 16 million dollar contract. He is severely underpaid. If I’m his agent he isn’t touching a football field without a new deal and I think that’s totally fair and the Dallas management should agree.
did you say Rod Tidwell???
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I don't think it does. The roster as a whole looks pretty damn good. I don't think Zeek not playing isca death sentence.
Now lose one of Dak, T. Smith or Martin could derail the season.

Highly doubt a Guard would derail an entire season even if Martin is the best in the league. Smith too. Dallas offense goes because of Zeek. He’s a rarity just because he’s so fucking good. Zeek is your Offense. That’s not saying there aren’t other good players like Cooper but job #1 playing Dallas is focusing entirely on stopping Zeek.
 

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How is it moot. With your money for insurance it would cost him half of his net worth. He can’t risk 100 million dollars. Shit, Rod Tidwells wife didn’t want him to risk a 16 million dollar contract. He is severely underpaid. If I’m his agent he isn’t touching a football field without a new deal and I think that’s totally fair and the Dallas management should agree.
Those policies don't cost near what you think they cost. Fournette had TWO 10M policies in COLLEGE.

My guess is if college kid can afford 20M in insurance Dak can cover him with enough to live pretty comfortable too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...e-unregulated-world-of-player-protection/amp/

These days, you cannot typically purchase one without the other even if you wanted to. And when premiums run approximately $8,000 per $1 million of coverage, there's a lot of money going around even if the covered player finishes his career with no more than a hangnail.
 

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Highly doubt a Guard would derail an entire season even if Martin is the best in the league. Smith too. Dallas offense goes because of Zeek. He’s a rarity just because he’s so fucking good. Zeek is your Offense. That’s not saying there aren’t other good players like Cooper but job #1 playing Dallas is focusing entirely on stopping Zeek.

The Cowboys offense is built around the OL, and Martin in one of the best in the business.
Lose Martin, Smith or Dak and the whole offense will struggle keep these three upright all Dallas would need is a decent back.

Again yes Zeke makes Dallas better but the team will be OK without him.
 

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I’m not giddy. I think Zeek should wait a year and Dak should be the one threatening to hold out. Just discussing and not giddy because they will both be taken care of. But this is a fast moving thread but about a tenth the speed of a Wentz Eagles thread.

OK, answer this, what will be the going QB rate after Rivers resigns and if Maholmes cashes in a year early?

That answer should clear this up even for you.
 

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Highly doubt a Guard would derail an entire season even if Martin is the best in the league. Smith too. Dallas offense goes because of Zeek. He’s a rarity just because he’s so fucking good. Zeek is your Offense. That’s not saying there aren’t other good players like Cooper but job #1 playing Dallas is focusing entirely on stopping Zeek.

No modern NFL offense is entirely built around a RB.
 

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You add nothing but being a cherry picking stat boy who doesn't watch games. So many words, so little information :L
In other words - "I hate that you lay out nearly every major stat that shows a QB's value and my golden boy doesn't look so golden anymore. But look at the 4th quarter comebacks!!"
 

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Dallas is an 8-8 team without Zeke. Pay the man.
 

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I highly doubt Zeke would have taken a single snap in the preseason anyway. Where the holdout would hurt is because of all the missed practices. If Zeke was a workout warrior during the off season then there probably would not be much concern because he would be in shape anyway but my understanding he is not that kind of guy. He is the best skill position they have. I think he fears that Dak and Cooper is going to get paid before him. If that happens it could mean the Cowboys are willing to let Zeke walk after his rookie deal.
 

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The dumbest thing a franchise QB can do is play the last year of his deal with zero security.

Most franchise QB's never get to the last year of their contract. Teams extend them much sooner. Dak wants more than what the Cowboys are offering and both sides are playing chicken right now. It will come to a head at some point. Dak is a true professional though and I can't see him holding out. I can see his going into the season without a new deal getting into his head. He may play a little scared for fear of getting injured and really ruining his payday.
 

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OK, answer this, what will be the going QB rate after Rivers resigns and if Maholmes cashes in a year early?

That answer should clear this up even for you.

I said I totally agree with you he will get more the longer he waits.
 

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Most franchise QB's never get to the last year of their contract. Teams extend them much sooner. Dak wants more than what the Cowboys are offering and both sides are playing chicken right now. It will come to a head at some point. Dak is a true professional though and I can't see him holding out. I can see his going into the season without a new deal getting into his head. He may play a little scared for fear of getting injured and really ruining his payday.

Though I don’t like the Cowboy team I don’t hate them as humans. I’d feel bad for the kid if he had a bad injury this year. Imagine if he had to miss 2020 because of injury and was a FA. What do you think his contract would look like then? He is a professional and a top notch guy. But, he and his agent know this is a business and he has to protect himself. After taxes he hasn’t even made 2 million dollars and he is the head of the most valuable team in sports. QB of the Dallas Cowboys is an elite position. He just HAS to protect himself. Even if he takes slightly less he has to grab that 100 million guaranteed
 

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No modern NFL offense is entirely built around a RB.

I don’t know what that even means. This is a passing league and would be like me saying, “No modern NFL offense is entirely built around WR’s”. Dallas is a run first team. Everything they do runs off Zeek. Pound Zeek, bring the safeties up and pass the ball.
 

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Though I don’t like the Cowboy team I don’t hate them as humans. I’d feel bad for the kid if he had a bad injury this year. Imagine if he had to miss 2020 because of injury and was a FA. What do you think his contract would look like then? He is a professional and a top notch guy. But, he and his agent know this is a business and he has to protect himself. After taxes he hasn’t even made 2 million dollars and he is the head of the most valuable team in sports. QB of the Dallas Cowboys is an elite position. He just HAS to protect himself. Even if he takes slightly less he has to grab that 100 million guaranteed

I feel Dak should tell the Cowboys he is not reporting without a new deal. In this entire situation the person with the most risk is Dak. He is taking a chance because if there is one thing we can all say about the NFL is that injuries happen. Jimmy G and Alex Smith....and Carson Wentz are prime examples. However Dak has played really smart. He has not taken unnecessary hits and has managed to stay on the field.

Playing the devils advocate I can see where the Cowboys are coming from. Dak is not a top 10 QB and probably never will be. However I don't see him as average either. He is a good QB right now and I have him ranked around 13-15. I think The Cowboys want to pay him in that market range and it is fair for them to want to do this but they also need to understand that the are going to have to overpay some. Every QB getting new deal minus the top 3 are overpaid a little bit.

Dak has shown that he cannot carry a team. Hell the sample is so glaringly obvious it is not even funny. His rookie season is the exception not the norm and he was carried by Zeke. The following season was the Zeke suspension season and Dak was average at best. He carried that type of performance going into his 3rd season and even Cowboys fans were wondering if the Cowboys should move on from him. He did not start to perform until he was given a legit weapon in Amari Cooper. If we as fans notice this I can assure you NFL front offices see it.

With that said there are no guarantees and right now Dak has none. So if I was him I don't play without a new deal.
 

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He is severely underpaid. If I’m his agent he isn’t touching a football field without a new deal and I think that’s totally fair and the Dallas management should agree.
Not really. He is paid what his contract that he signed states he get paid.
 

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I don’t know what that even means. This is a passing league and would be like me saying, “No modern NFL offense is entirely built around WR’s”. Dallas is a run first team. Everything they do runs off Zeek. Pound Zeek, bring the safeties up and pass the ball.

I don’t know what that even means.

An argument born out of incredulity is not an argument, at all.

Anyway...

Yes, you do. However, you'll be disingenuous and say you don't in order to hold your argument intact and convince yourself (as an Eagles fan) that Dallas would suddenly implode without Zeke.

It's a very simple concept. No team is built around a RB. This isn't the 80's. No RB is the centerpiece of an offense in 2019. If it were, RB's would still go #1 overall and teams rebuilding would make RB's a high priority. Instead, now, only one or so goes in the first round each draft. All offense's are built around their air attack. Running is simply there to set that up. Running back's are just bodies filling a role. They're role players now and not at the center. Zeke is a really good body, but like all offense's in the NFL... another decent body can step in and the position would function without much of a hiccup. (See James Conner for reference)

Dallas is a run first team.

They threw 56.77% of the time in 2018. Which even furthers my point, that not only is no team built around a RB. However, no offense revolves around its running game. There does not exist a run first team.

Everything they do runs off Zeek.

Their run game has importance, sure. However, we've established that this isn't the case.

Even if their offense did revolve around their run game. That merely establishes that everything they do runs through their O-line.

Running backs ain't shit. Dime-a-dozen role players who blow up and flame out in a hurry. In this day and age it's very rare that you don't wind-up regretting paying one.
 
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