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Make me Laugh. Try to explain SOS - Strength of Schedule

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So North Dakota State couldn’t beat UTEP? The same North Dakota State that has won 7 out of the last 8 national titles, and beat the Hawkeyes on their home turf a few years ago has no chance of beating UTEP?

Of course they could. I said no to "are NO FCS teams capable of beating the worst FBS team?"
 

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late to the contest, but SOS is a tool used to ensure SEC teams are ranked in the top 10.

what do i win?
 

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Of course they could. I said no to "are NO FCS teams capable of beating the worst FBS team?"
So how would you factor a win over North Dakota State as opposed to Incarnate Word? Both are FCS but obviously not created equal. This is why the FCS debate gets old. There are certain times where teams are getting bashed for playin FCS teams who are better than a large portion of the non-aq teams.
 
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It involves math, so I wouldn't expect a Floridian to understand it all that much.
 

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So how would you factor a win over North Dakota State as opposed to Incarnate Word. Both are FCS but obviously not created equal? This is why the FCS debate gets old. There are certain times where teams are getting bashed for playin FCS teams who are better than a large portion of the non-aq teams.

I don't have a good idea for how to weigh FCS games. I don't expect it to happen but I wish these games were eliminated. I don't believe these games exist for competitive purposes even when comparing North Dakota State to other FCS teams. The Bison may be the exception but I don't think anyone schedules an FCS over an FBS team or another FCS because it offers a greater challenge even if that happens to be true.
 

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I don't have a good idea for how to weigh FCS games. I don't expect it to happen but I wish these games were eliminated. I don't believe these games exist for competitive purposes even when comparing North Dakota State to other FCS teams. The Bison may be the exception but I don't think anyone schedules an FCS over an FBS team or another FCS because it offers a greater challenge even if that happens to be true.
I would say give those games a 0 score
 

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I would say give those games a 0 score

This is what I did. Unless they lost, then it was -100, the worse possible score. And I treated them as bye weeks.

Outside that, the game should be ignored and have no bearing on the power of a team or any other measurements because the data just isn't relevant.
 

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Ask DR. He will be happy to point to how playing 2 FCS teams per year is a top tier SOS schedule
 

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And if they are LSU’s, just imagine what Bama would be doing to them.
LOL especially since LSU was so injured they were dressing out equipment managers, waterboys and male cheerleaders.
 

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I actually completely agree with you assessment on AI and computers as tools for human use. But with SOS, as the ole saying goes, shit in gets bullshit out.

I clearly stated that I don’t want computers or people determining who gets in a playoff. I want on the UCField results to determine that, just like its done in all other American sports.

#UCFacts
your field results have been determining that!

you haven't deserved to be in a playoff
 

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Beating shitty teams that LSU would be ridiculed for playing OOC as a conference game is better than losing to good teams.
and yet, the lsu - ucf game just proves the futility of trying to use this ranking system as the lower ranked team dominated the higher ranked one
 

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and yet, the lsu - ucf game just proves the futility of trying to use this ranking system as the lower ranked team dominated the higher ranked one

How so?
 

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and yet, the lsu - ucf game just proves the futility of trying to use this ranking system as the lower ranked team dominated the higher ranked one
The results of the LSU-UCF game don’t invalidate his system any more than the results of the Auburn-UCF game validated it. I’d have no problem if the committee used it as part of their evaluation process, but neither it nor any other “objective” system will ever be the sole selector for the playoff. As he said, all conferences are not equally difficult, and for a simple mathematical formula to work they would need to be at least close. In his system, assigning no points or points equal to the worst FBS team for FCS games assumes that all FCS teams are worse than the worst FBS, and we know that’s not true either. If the playoff had 8 or more slots, it might work, but for 4? Nope.

The biggest reason that his system won’t ever be used to select the playoff teams is that the playoff is a creation of the P5 conferences, and they damn sure aren’t going to use a system that assumes that the AAC and Sunbelt are equal to the P5s. They aren’t owed access to the playoff, no matter how much they whine about how unfair it is. As somebody once said, you didn’t build that. If they want their own championship playoff, have at it.
 

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The results of the LSU-UCF game don’t invalidate his system any more than the results of the Auburn-UCF game validated it. I’d have no problem if the committee used it as part of their evaluation process, but neither it nor any other “objective” system will ever be the sole selector for the playoff. As he said, all conferences are not equally difficult, and for a simple mathematical formula to work they would need to be at least close. In his system, assigning no points or points equal to the worst FBS team for FCS games assumes that all FCS teams are worse than the worst FBS, and we know that’s not true either. If the playoff had 8 or more slots, it might work, but for 4? Nope.

The biggest reason that his system won’t ever be used to select the playoff teams is that the playoff is a creation of the P5 conferences, and they damn sure aren’t going to use a system that assumes that the AAC and Sunbelt are equal to the P5s. They aren’t owed access to the playoff, no matter how much they whine about how unfair it is. As somebody once said, you didn’t build that. If they want their own championship playoff, have at it.
And the P5 would love it if they did because they no longer need to give a piece of the playoff pie to the the MidMajors and they don’t have to have an autobid for the NY6 bowls either.
 

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I'll also illustrate why Ranking SOS is beyond retarded.

It's like ranking Batting averages. It would make you believe that there is a big difference Top 25 and Top 75. 0.293 - 0.260 = .033. That variance is actually much greater than the variance that you'll see in FBS SOS between Top 25 and Top 75 due to the inheritance zero sum game in SOS that is not in MLB batting averages.

To illustrate how insignificant Top 25 vs Top 75 or 0.293 - 0.260 = .033, is even with 500 at bats that difference amounts to only 16 more hits. But go ahead and say it. Well #25 could have faced weaker Pitchers than #75. Why doesn't baseball use a stat like that?

RK PLAYER AVG
1 Mookie Betts 0.346
2 J.D. Martinez 0.330
3 Christian Yelich 0.326
4 Jose Altuve 0.316
5 Mike Trout 0.312
6 Scooter Gennett 0.310
7 Freddie Freeman 0.309
8 Michael Brantley 0.309
9 Anthony Rendon 0.308
10 Lorenzo Cain 0.308
11 Ben Zobrist 0.305
12 Jose Martinez 0.305
13 Whit Merrifield 0.304
14 Jean Segura 0.304
15 Joey Wendle 0.300
16 Corey Dickerson 0.300
17 Nicholas Castellanos 0.298
18 Manny Machado 0.297
19 Nick Markakis 0.297
20 Miguel Andujar 0.297
21 Nolan Arenado 0.297
22 Mallex Smith 0.296
23 Matt Duffy 0.294
24 David Peralta 0.293
25 Andrelton Simmons 0.292
26 Trevor Story 0.291
27 Charlie Blackmon 0.291
28 Yuli Gurriel 0.291
29 Javier Baez 0.290
30 Andrew Benintendi 0.290
31 Paul Goldschmidt 0.290
32 Matt Kemp 0.290
33 Xander Bogaerts 0.288
34 Eddie Rosario 0.288
35 Jose Peraza 0.288
36 Alex Bregman 0.286
37 Mitch Haniger 0.285
38 Joey Votto 0.284
39 Eugenio Suarez 0.283
40 Anthony Rizzo 0.283
41 Joe Mauer 0.282
42 Adam Jones 0.281
43 Marcell Ozuna 0.280
44 Starlin Castro 0.278
45 Matt Chapman 0.278
46 Starling Marte 0.277
47 Francisco Lindor 0.277
48 J.T. Realmuto 0.277
49 DJ LeMahieu 0.276
50 Tommy Pham 0.275
51 Jesus Aguilar 0.274
52 Brian Anderson 0.273
53 Eduardo Escobar 0.272
54 Johan Camargo 0.272
55 Trea Turner 0.271
56 Jose Ramirez 0.270
57 Dee Gordon 0.268
58 Didi Gregorius 0.268
59 Jon Jay 0.268
60 Stephen Piscotty 0.267
61 Jed Lowrie 0.267
62 Giancarlo Stanton 0.266
63 George Springer 0.265
64 Ender Inciarte 0.265
65 Derek Dietrich 0.265
66 Jose Abreu 0.265
67 Shin-Soo Choo 0.264
68 Brandon Nimmo 0.263
69 Asdrubal Cabrera 0.262
70 Josh Bell 0.261
71 Yadier Molina 0.261
72 Ozzie Albies 0.261
73 Cody Bellinger 0.260
74 Jonathan Villar 0.260
75 Ketel Marte 0.260

#UCFacts

LOL @ using baseball as a comparison :laugh3:

You can't fix stupid.
 

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The results of the LSU-UCF game don’t invalidate his system any more than the results of the Auburn-UCF game validated it. I’d have no problem if the committee used it as part of their evaluation process, but neither it nor any other “objective” system will ever be the sole selector for the playoff. As he said, all conferences are not equally difficult, and for a simple mathematical formula to work they would need to be at least close. In his system, assigning no points or points equal to the worst FBS team for FCS games assumes that all FCS teams are worse than the worst FBS, and we know that’s not true either. If the playoff had 8 or more slots, it might work, but for 4? Nope.

The biggest reason that his system won’t ever be used to select the playoff teams is that the playoff is a creation of the P5 conferences, and they damn sure aren’t going to use a system that assumes that the AAC and Sunbelt are equal to the P5s. They aren’t owed access to the playoff, no matter how much they whine about how unfair it is. As somebody once said, you didn’t build that. If they want their own championship playoff, have at it.

Just to be clear, I wouldn't support treating FCS games that way in the real world. BTW, if G5 teams are not owed playoff access, why don't P5 leagues adopt an objective system and just give themselves a head start?
 
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