2019 Hall of Fame Ballot

[da55bums]

BS the Royals don't go to 2 WS without HDH in the pen. pens have changed the game with watered down SPs and talents are used to their potential.

I would love to see Holds and Saves combined and only issued with the winning run at the plate, in any inning. 1 run game, 6th,7th,8th and 9th inning guy gets saves. Not bringing in your best when the game is on the line in the 7th is so strange, your 4th highest paid pitcher of the game?

 

[Chewbaccer]

 

[calsnowskier]

That that I am a McGriff HOF champion, but this is a GREAT demonstration of how over-rated Edgar has gotten.

And you didn’t even mention the fact that McGriff played a full game while Edgar was busy picking his teeth half the game.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That that I am a McGriff HOF champion, but this is a GREAT demonstration of how over-rated Edgar has gotten.

And you didn’t even mention the fact that McGriff played a full game while Edgar was busy picking his teeth half the game.

I know I bring up todd helton a lot recently... But if Edgar makes it, then can you make a valid argument for todd helton NOT to??

I feel like the Colorado effect is the most over-rated affect in voting... Worse than the DH rule...

 

[navamind]

that's some great cherry picking

 

[navamind]

McGriff had 243 more hits. He also had about 1500 more plate appearances. Martinez averaged more hits per season plus his career BA was 28 points higher. Edgar had a career OBP 45 points higher and a slightly higher SLG%, though McGriff had better power numbers. Edgar's career OPS+ is 13 points higher. Not sure the positions are really much of a point of favor for McGriff considering he rated as a mediocre defender (-34 runs) at 1st base whereas Edgar at least rated as an above average defender (+17 runs) at a tougher position. Edgar blows McGriff away in WAR (68.4 wins to 52.6 for McGriff).

 

[navamind]

That that I am a McGriff HOF champion, but this is a GREAT demonstration of how over-rated Edgar has gotten.

And you didn’t even mention the fact that McGriff played a full game while Edgar was busy picking his teeth half the game.

lmao no it isn't. the only thing it demonstrates is that McGriff played a longer career.

you should take the NL blinders off for once.

 

[navamind]

I just want to understand the logic in saying no to DHs (some voters with Edgar), but saying yes to a relief pitcher (Rivera). I'd say a guy with 500+ plate appearances has more impact than a guy that pitches ~70 innings a year.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I just want to understand the logic in saying no to DHs (some voters with Edgar), but saying yes to a relief pitcher (Rivera). I'd say a guy with 500+ plate appearances has more impact than a guy that pitches ~70 innings a year.

that is pretty simple logic IMO... the thing about DHs is that they don't have a position... They are just hitters... RP is a position and a skill...

point is, nobody cares whether someone is one of the best DHs of all time... they have to be one of the best HITTERS of all time...

RP, is a whole position to itself, you can be one of the best RP of all time...

With that said, I don't NOT have edgar on my list because he is a DH, I don't have him on my list because I don't think he cracks it as an offensive bat... Especially when the position is a NEGATIVE...

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Eh...Mazeroski comes to mind.

Mazeroski is in for one obvious reason. Other than the most diehard Pirates homers, I don't think that anyone else would disagree.

 

[navamind]

If Barry played his career in Coors Field..

Neutralized Batting Stats — Barry Bonds | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[black francis]

If Barry played his career in Coors Field..

Neutralized Batting Stats — Barry Bonds | Baseball-Reference.com

JFC

 

[PolarVortex]

Mazeroski is in for one obvious reason. Other than the most diehard Pirates homers, I don't think that anyone else would disagree.

Was it his 7 all star games, 8 gold gloves or being 24th all time in defensive WAR?

Yeah, maybe a homerun in October got him in the HOF but at least it wasn't a backflip in July.

 

[PolarVortex]

I know I bring up todd helton a lot recently... But if Edgar makes it, then can you make a valid argument for todd helton NOT to??

I feel like the Colorado effect is the most over-rated affect in voting... Worse than the DH rule...

In Helton's case, the Colorado effect is legit. He slugged .607 at home and .469 on the road. His OPS was .193 higher at home.

But the reason he isn't in the HOF is the same reason Mattingly isn't in the HOF. He developed a bad back while still in his prime, which pretty much cut his power in half. His back stays healthy and he reaches 500 career homeruns...and a ticket to the HOF.

I see your point though. His career numbers are close to Jim Rice's numbers. Rice is in because of a great three year stretch from 1977-1979 (and a lot of shameful campaigning by Boston-area sports writers). Helton had a great 6-year run from 1999-2004.

 

[navamind]

In Helton's case, the Colorado effect is legit. He slugged .607 at home and .469 on the road. His OPS was .193 higher at home.

But the reason he isn't in the HOF is the same reason Mattingly isn't in the HOF. He developed a bad back while still in his prime, which pretty much cut his power in half. His back stays healthy and he reaches 500 career homeruns...and a ticket to the HOF.

I see your point though. His career numbers are close to Jim Rice's numbers. Rice is in because of a great three year stretch from 1977-1979 (and a lot of shameful campaigning by Boston-area sports writers). Helton had a great 6-year run from 1999-2004.

I'd say Helton's 2000-2005 run was greater than his 1999-2004 run. He also had a really good 2007 season (.320/.434/.494, 133 OPS+, 4.5 WAR) and 5 other solid seasons.

I think Helton is far more deserving than Rice. Idk if Helton is going to make it anytime soon, but I wouldn't complain at all if he did.

 

[PolarVortex]

I'd say Helton's 2000-2005 run was greater than his 1999-2004 run. He also had a really good 2007 season (.320/.434/.494, 133 OPS+, 4.5 WAR) and 5 other solid seasons.

I think Helton is far more deserving than Rice. Idk if Helton is going to make it anytime soon, but I wouldn't complain at all if he did.

Yeah, the left handed hitters in old Yankee stadium had every bit as much of an advantage as Colorado hitters do. That short porch in RF created a lot of HOFers.

 

[Calm]

Projecting the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame vote

Looking at the odds of election, Rivera and Halladay are both at 100%, Edgar's at 63%, Mussina's at 28%.

Waiting for this kid to share his methodology because those numbers for Edgar and Mussina seem off to me.

 

[Calm]

Waiting for this kid to share his methodology because those numbers for Edgar and Mussina seem off to me.

Never mind, just found it.

 

[Yanks23242]

Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Manny
Walker
Rivera
Andrew Jones
Rolen
Halladay
Edgar

* Would also vote for Schilling

 

[Yanks23242]

well, pettitte doesn't really belong...

It all depends on who’s voting on the Veterans Committee when his time comes.