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Serena shows the world her true colors

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Meh. Sampras was great because no one could return his slice serve. Federer and Steffi had ridiculous forehands. Both were also pinpoint with their serves too. All were great movers on the court. Players like Djoker and Agassi didn't have the serves but were the best returners of all time.

Having a 1 handed BH has nothing to do with it. It helps to be able to hit both. Only having 1 is a liability for those smart enough to exploit it. Someone with a great 1 handed BH is not going to do shit without at least 2 of those other 4 traits. See Richard Gasquet.

sampras had a great serve, but what made it even greater was his ability to serve and volley, and play an all court game. sampras had the edge over agassi because agassi was one dimensional, like many players with 2 handed backhands are..

a one hander is more versatile. you can hit flat, topspin, or slice and dice, yet still get plenty of power.. it also enables a player to stretch out and cover more ground.

laver, sampras, federer, graf, navratilova, all seem to have one thing in common. these people are the best of the best.
 

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sampras had a great serve, but what made it even greater was his ability to serve and volley, and play an all court game. sampras had the edge over agassi because agassi was one dimensional, like many players with 2 handed backhands are..

a one hander is more versatile. you can hit flat, topspin, or slice and dice, yet still get plenty of power.. it also enables a player to stretch out and cover more ground.

laver, sampras, federer, graf, navratilova, all seem to have one thing in common. these people are the best of the best.

Everyone can hit a 1 handed slice BH. They all do. Having a 1 hander alone leaves you vulnerable to high balls though. Inside out FHs destroy a 1 handed BH. Hard to control the ball. It is why Djoker does it a lot vs Fed even though his BH is better and why he beats him more often then not. Same thing with Sampras. As soon as he got too slow to run around his BH he got beat regularly.
 

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Everyone can hit a 1 handed slice BH. They all do. Having a 1 hander alone leaves you vulnerable to high balls though. Inside out FHs destroy a 1 handed BH. Hard to control the ball. It is why Djoker does it a lot vs Fed even though his BH is better and why he beats him more often then not. Same thing with Sampras. As soon as he got too slow to run around his BH he got beat regularly.

you can hit high balls with 1 hander easier than a 2 hander. a high slice is much easier with a 1 hander. having two hands on the racket restricts reach and flexibility.

i'm not sure why an inside out fh would destroy a 1 handed backhand. it seems the extra reach would assist in getting to the ball.

most 2 handers can hit a 1 handed slice, but the two hander is still their primary attacking shot. most are just using the 1 handed slice to play defense. they aren't chipping and charging, or using it to vary the pace and spin.

djokovic has an edge over federer in the last few years because federer is 6 years older. prime federer dominated djokovic.

sampras tailed off in his later years because his entire game declined.

federer, sampas, and laver's one handed backhand's were not only efficient, it complimented and facilitated their all court games, making them the best of the best. players with 2 handers are often one dimensional baseline players.

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yes, when steffi walked off the court you could never tell whether she won or lost. she was a model. emotionally very stable.

i also favor the one handed backhand because it helps enable an all court game, and allows greater court coverage. its a shame henin retired so early. she could have inspired a new generation of women's all court players, instead of more baseline bashers. the top all time greats mostly have one handed back hands.
Increases wingspan more at the cost of stability but if you can muscle it like Boris could you were golden.
 

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Everyone can hit a 1 handed slice BH. They all do. Having a 1 hander alone leaves you vulnerable to high balls though. Inside out FHs destroy a 1 handed BH. Hard to control the ball. It is why Djoker does it a lot vs Fed even though his BH is better and why he beats him more often then not. Same thing with Sampras. As soon as he got too slow to run around his BH he got beat regularly.
Unless you are a tall dude like Guga. Even Gastón Gaudio who beat Guillermo Coria in that infamous FO final had a great backhand and that’s where he did damage against a double handed backhander like Coria who was arguably the best clay courier at that time in the world. But Nadal gets an edge because he is a leftie so his FH COMES HARDER AND WITH MORE TOPSPIN TO THE BACKHAND OF A ONE HANDED RIGHT HANDER BACKHAND WING. and hence he does more damage. Gastón Gaudio was only 5’9”!and yet had a fierce backhand that one him that title.

The Nole argument is weak because he like Nadal is a power pusher staying relatively 90% of the time at the baseline and hoping for an error from Fed. If Fed is on he will beat both of them badly in the last set. But Fed’s own problems are inconsistencies when he is ahead not closing out matches. That’s why he lost so many against Nadal and Nole.
 

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What LiberalBacon wants is that since they are women they must be treated as baby seals, despite all the unladylike screeching, screaming, grunting, foul mouthed preaching, rudeness, tantrum throwing, racquet smashing etc. and his favorite princess Ree should be lauded for her aggressive non playing actions on court as groundbreaking trend setting and revolutionary acts by Billie Jean and her feminist goons all over the world.

So in other words NO penalties for women just the men.
well then LI better be careful, cuz @Old Lion will slap the shit out of them if so
 

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Increases wingspan more at the cost of stability but if you can muscle it like Boris could you were golden.

increased reach, and versatility sounds simple enough. some of the two handers can really drive the ball, but they sacrifice reach and versatility, and often are one dimensional.

prime henin had a lot of success against serena because her one handed backhand allowed her to retrieve serena's serve and crosscourt shots, and play at all positions on the court. henin could stroke with serena or play serve and volley, whereas serena simply relied on the power game.

juniors these days start lessons at such a young age, they are taught to hit a 2 hander at very young age, before they are able to hit a 1 hander. as a result they use the 2 hander as an adult, rather than change their style and convert..
 

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increased reach, and versatility sounds simple enough. some of the two handers can really drive the ball, but they sacrifice reach and versatility, and often are one dimensional.

prime henin had a lot of success against serena because her one handed backhand allowed her to retrieve serena's serve and crosscourt shots, and play at all positions on the court. henin could stroke with serena or play serve and volley, whereas serena simply relied on the power game.

juniors these days start lessons at such a young age, they are taught to hit a 2 hander at very young age, before they are able to hit a 1 hander. as a result they use the 2 hander as an adult, rather than change their style and convert..
Serena’s power game strategy is terrible and one dimensional mostly relying on the opponent to hit weaker shots to her ( in the battle of power rallies) so she can put them away for the eventual winner. She is clueless against versatile players who employ a wider variety of shots and move around well on the court.

About the one handed backhand it’s a more superior shot and more aggressive shot than the two hander because

1) it allows you to drive the winner home down the line or cross court while the two hander crosscourt is just a safe shot and with topspin can only draw an UE off the single handed bh opponent if it lands deep. The down the line bh is more damaging and can get you winners.
2) if you can move well and set up the body positioning for the one handed backhand you have the edge over the opponent if they have a double hander with shorter reach.

Just so we are all on the same page one can only hit a bh slice EFFECTIVELY with a one handed shot..
 

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Serena’s power game strategy is terrible and one dimensional mostly relying on the opponent to hit weaker shots to her ( in the battle of power rallies) so she can put them away for the eventual winner. She is clueless against versatile players who employ a wider variety of shots and move around well on the court.

About the one handed backhand it’s a more superior shot and more aggressive shot than the two hander because

1) it allows you to drive the winner home down the line or cross court while the two hander crosscourt is just a safe shot and with topspin can only draw an UE off the single handed bh opponent if it lands deep. The down the line bh is more damaging and can get you winners.
2) if you can move well and set up the body positioning for the one handed backhand you have the edge over the opponent if they have a double hander with shorter reach.

Just so we are all on the same page one can only hit a bh slice EFFECTIVELY with a one handed shot..

henin was also a much smaller player, yet covered more ground the serena, partially because of her 1 hander.

from about 2003-2007 henin was 5-2 against serena, and 4-1 in slams. serena got most of her wins again henin early in henins career or later after she had been out of tennis for awhile.

if 2 handers were so superior, everyone would using a 2 handed forehand as well.
 

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henin was also a much smaller player, yet covered more ground the serena, partially because of her 1 hander.

from about 2003-2007 henin was 5-2 against serena, and 4-1 in slams. serena got most of her wins again henin early in henins career or later after she had been out of tennis for awhile.

if 2 handers were so superior, everyone would using a 2 handed forehand as well.
Henin owned that one handed bh shot like no one else I have seen.

Granted that women’s game generally doesn’t produce too much power on the shots and it’s easier to handle shots to the bh while men are capable of MUCH MORE topspin and MUCH MORE power so the shots to one’s bh wing and the more difficult it is to handle it or drive winners with it but still Henin’s bh was a thing of beauty!
 

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Henin owned that one handed bh shot like no one else I have seen.

Granted that women’s game generally doesn’t produce too much power on the shots and it’s easier to handle shots to the bh while men are capable of MUCH MORE topspin and MUCH MORE power so the shots to one’s bh wing and the more difficult it is to handle it or drive winners with it but still Henin’s bh was a thing of beauty!

I agree.

 

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Just watch 0:38. That is how the shot should be taught to be executed.
 

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'I'll make sure you will never referee any match I play'" is not a threat? I call BS. Especially since refs are hired by the tournament.

Ramos is not a victim of Serena. Ramos is a victim of the idiots defending Serena in this case and accusing him of racism and sexism.

Actually, Serena is a victim of the morons, the white nationalist and chauvinistic egg heads who are non tennis fans but as soon as they heard it is the black woman populated message boards to vent their spleen. Notice the real tennis fans are those who went to the stadium and didn't want the ego of an umpire to insert himself into a match they wanted and paid to see and decided to boo him. Let him and his whining referees form a union and clam they refuse to participate in any match involving Serena(who will definitely win another slam by the way) and they will be exposed as the clowns that they are.
 

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pffft, who wants to watch women's tennis to see a vile brute. people like to see a little grace and elegance in the women's game.
And that is into the territory of the racist and the sexist. No question about this your assertion. But then again any surprise here?
 

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What LiberalBacon wants is that since they are women they must be treated as baby seals, despite all the unladylike screeching, screaming, grunting, foul mouthed preaching, rudeness, tantrum throwing, racquet smashing etc. and his favorite princess Ree should be lauded for her aggressive non playing actions on court as groundbreaking trend setting and revolutionary acts by Billie Jean and her feminist goons all over the world.

So in other words NO penalties for women just the men.

Yep, which the men never exhibit. Unbelievable.
 

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Reality Check: Are female tennis players treated unfairly?

During the 2018 Grand Slams, more fines were given out to men.

We don't have the data to test the accusation that umpires fail to punish some angry outbursts made by a man, but penalise a woman for a similar type of angry rant.

During the four Grand Slam tournaments in 2018 - Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon and the US Open - 85 fines for code violations were issued to men.

33 for abuse of racquet or equipment
16 for audible obscenity
16 for "unsportsmanlike" conduct
9 for coaching
2 for first round retirement
7 for start of match time, time violation, delay of game
2 for verbal abuse

There were fewer issued to women - 43.

13 for coaching
10 for audible obscenity
10 for abuse of racquet or equipment
5 for "unsportsmanlike" conduct
3 for start of match time, time violation, delay of game
1 for media conference
1 for verbal abuse

Men play more sets at major tournaments so are on court for longer and that might lead to more infractions, or give them more time to lose their cool.

To account for the longer game time, you could work out how many fines were issued per set. So, take the US Open singles' tournament. Then include fines for in-play violations and exclude retirement and the time and game delay violations.

In the women's singles tournament that's 11 fines in 297 sets, which amounts to 0.037 fines per set.

It's slightly higher for men - 21 fines in 460 sets, which amounts to 0.046 fines per set.

So, once these factors have been taken into account, there's no evidence that women were fined more often than men per set during the 2018 US Open.

However, these calculations don't take into account whether umpires are more likely to punish female players than men for a similar outburst during a match.

Give me a break. Serena has been in tennis for a longer period than most men playing today yet apart from a few infractions arising out of frustrations at USO she has been a model of decorum throughout her tennis life.
 

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BS, as breaking a racket is a mandatory violation. And has been for years. So he MUST have been punished.

No, he wasn't . Those that had warning or punishment were made known by the referee and cmmentators.
 

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Racket: since the rule was changed to mandatory warning when damaged beyond playability in the match, he should always have been given a violation.

Your accusation of me being prejudiced against Serena is sheer lunacy.

None of these contain the following elements:

- threatening the official or his job.
- attacking the integrity of the official.

Note how Serena is upset because the umpire accused her of cheating - SOMETHING HE DID NOT!! In her mind him punishing the coach for illegal behaviour (behaviour her coach admitted to) somehow was twisted the umpire accusing her of cheating (and thus questioning her integrity). And subsequently she immediately and repeatedly goes after the integrity of the umpire herself.

Talk about hypocrisy.


And what the umpires are angry about is the fact that Serena's behaviour is completley ignored, the press by and large in completely unprofessional fashion goose-steps to Serena's tune, and so do the WTA and US Tennis Federation (two of the three most powerfull federations in tennis), while by rule the officials are not even allowed to defend themselves (and the ITF refuses to step in until forced to).
Complete and abject nonsense. Serena was upbraided and shamed by the media and majority white nationalists on message boards.
 

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it's just a video of a collection of federer angry moments. it doesn't really note whether federer was penalized. most of the incidents are racket abuse. the rules are clear on racket abuse, you break a racket its a code violation, and as far as i know its strictly enforced. serena's not even arguing about the penalty for racket abuse.

Lol. What a rabid excuse- making fan!
 

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Complete and abject nonsense. Serena was upbraided and shamed by the media and majority white nationalists on message boards.

Absolute nonsense. Sole exception a completely legitimate cartoon, which unleashed another unjustified fire-storm. Most media goose-stepped to the Serena tune, coming close to white-washing her behaviour.
 
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