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Michigan is too high.

Hairbawl has a worst record than Bo Pelini did after three years.
No reason to think Hairbawls will ever get Michigan to elite status.
Say what you will about Michigan, but my point still stands. I wasn't specifically talking about just one of those 3 teams, but the likelihood that Texas is better than all 3 teams listed is, well, almost certainly wrong.

Also, I thought Pelini was doing a good job with Nebraska. You were a 10 win team every single year. You fired him and you've gone in the dumps.
 

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Clemson should definitely be ranked #1 or #2 no matter who's starting at QB.
No way. He's just not a good enough QB. Their defense is going to be elite, but their offense is going to struggle if he's still the QB. We saw them completely stall out against Alabama and lose to a very bad Syracuse team because of offensive ineptitude. Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia all deserve to be ahead of them at least.
 

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Say what you will about Michigan, but my point still stands. I wasn't specifically talking about just one of those 3 teams, but the likelihood that Texas is better than all 3 teams listed is, well, almost certainly wrong.

Also, I thought Pelini was doing a good job with Nebraska. You were a 10 win team every single year. You fired him and you've gone in the dumps.

No they weren't. Do your homework before you babble ignorance.

After 3 years in their programs Pelini had a better record than Hairbawls. That cannot be disputed and doesn't bode well looking forward.
If 8, 9, and 10 wins spanning 7 years are success in your eyes, who am I to argue? I guess the 'one half' of a national championship in 70 years keeps Hairbawls job security.
 

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No they weren't. Do your homework before you babble ignorance.

After 3 years in their programs Pelini had a better record than Hairbawls. That cannot be disputed and doesn't bode well looking forward.
If 8, 9, and 10 wins spanning 7 years are success in your eyes, who am I to argue? I guess the 'one half' of a national championship in 70 years keeps Hairbawls job security.
I phrased my comment wrong, I was speaking more generally than definitively "every year". Under Pelini, Nebraska was averaging 9.4 wins per year. The only fault of Pelini is that he never reached that next level in a single season. But on average, produced quite good teams at Nebraska. That was my point. Since he was fired, Nebraska turned straight into the dump with only a slight hope of turning that around because of Frost.

I never disputed his record wasn't better. I'm not even sure what you're blabbering on about at this point. Harbaugh has done a great job of flipping the program around -- and to suggest that it "doesn't bode well looking forward" is silly at best. If anything, the future looks pretty bright. If Harbaugh still hasn't gone over that hump in 7 seasons, like Pelini, then we can talk. But as it stands, we're producing some good teams, with elite defenses. I have no worries about the whole thing coming together soon.
 

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I phrased my comment wrong, I was speaking more generally than definitively "every year". Under Pelini, Nebraska was averaging 9.4 wins per year. The only fault of Pelini is that he never reached that next level in a single season. But on average, produced quite good teams at Nebraska. That was my point. Since he was fired, Nebraska turned straight into the dump with only a slight hope of turning that around because of Frost.

I never disputed his record wasn't better. I'm not even sure what you're blabbering on about at this point. Harbaugh has done a great job of flipping the program around -- and to suggest that it "doesn't bode well looking forward" is silly at best. If anything, the future looks pretty bright. If Harbaugh still hasn't gone over that hump in 7 seasons, like Pelini, then we can talk. But as it stands, we're producing some good teams, with elite defenses. I have no worries about the whole thing coming together soon.

Your knowledge of Pelini is rife with flaming ignorance. Pelini's wins against opponents who themselves finished their seasons with 9 or more wins was atrocious.
I.E. his 9 or 10 win seasons were chock full of wins against teams with 8 or less wins.

To your second ignorant point in bold.... Pelini could also have been perceived as doing "an excellent job flipping the program around" after Callahan who'd gone (5-7), (8-4), (9-5), (5-7) prior.

You see some of us around here do our homework, look up information, and evaluate facts. Others (like you) blather endless ignorance and pretend you know something.
 

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Just because Pelini was beating Michigan did not make them a "quite a good team". LMAO
 

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Your knowledge of Pelini is rife with flaming ignorance. Pelini's wins against opponents who themselves finished their seasons with 9 or more wins was atrocious.
I.E. his 9 or 10 win seasons were chock full of wins against teams with 8 or less wins.

To your second ignorant point in bold.... Pelini could also have been perceived as doing "an excellent job flipping the program around" after Callahan who'd gone (5-7), (8-4), (9-5), (5-7) prior.

You see some of us around here do our homework, look up information, and evaluate facts. Others (like you) blather endless ignorance and pretend you know something.
Maybe it's because I'm not a fan of Nebraska, but I always enjoyed watching those Pelini teams at Nebraska and anecdotally thought they were good. It feels like you're attacking me for saying Nebraska was good -- which is weird?

I think Harbaugh has the trajectory of our program in the right direction. With the elite defenses we're pumping out, it's only a matter of time before it all clicks.
 

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No way. He's just not a good enough QB. Their defense is going to be elite, but their offense is going to struggle if he's still the QB. We saw them completely stall out against Alabama and lose to a very bad Syracuse team because of offensive ineptitude. Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia all deserve to be ahead of them at least.

They we're #1 entering the CFP and lost to Bama. UGA loses a lot. I wouldn't have them ahead based on personnel losses. And Clemson was better than Ohio State last year, no reason that'll be different this year IMO.
 

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the Arkansas State one is bizarre though surprisingly they were 24th in S&P last year.
 

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They were the #1 team heading into the CFP last year with him. The rest of the team is so loaded I don't think it matters who starts at QB. Plus, I don't think there are any other viable options for anyone else.

Well they have one of the highest rated high school QBs of all-time (if not the highest) coming in as I mentioned, so that’s an option. And once they did get to the playoffs, they proved to be the worst of the four participants. That “performance” against Alabama by Bryant and the rest of the team was embarrassing.
 

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Maybe it's because I'm not a fan of Nebraska, but I always enjoyed watching those Pelini teams at Nebraska and anecdotally thought they were good. It feels like you're attacking me for saying Nebraska was good -- which is weird?

I think Harbaugh has the trajectory of our program in the right direction. With the elite defenses we're pumping out, it's only a matter of time before it all clicks.

No. I'm attacking you for your ignorance. Nebraska wasn't good. They were slightly better than average. They were irrelevant in the big picture.

To the second bold....I exposed Michigan's fraud defense here last season remember?
Just prior to the Penn St game I said Michigan's fraud defense was finally going to get outed. Of course they did (to the tune of 42 points). I was right because I took the time to do my homework instead of blathering ignorance like you do.
Michigan's defense looked good because they played shitty offenses.

I have no idea what they'll look like this season as they haven't taken the field yet. I expect the same. We shall see.
 

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No. I'm attacking you for your ignorance. Nebraska wasn't good. They were slightly better than average. They were irrelevant in the big picture.

To the second bold....I exposed Michigan's fraud defense here last season remember?
Just prior to the Penn St game I said Michigan's fraud defense was finally going to get outed. Of course they did (to the tune of 42 points). I was right because I took the time to do my homework instead of blathering ignorance like you do.
Michigan's defense looked good because they played shitty offenses.

I have no idea what they'll look like this season as they haven't taken the field yet. I expect the same. We shall see.
Ok. I disagree.
 

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Ok. I disagree.

You disagree with what?
That Penn St hung 42 on that Michigan defense?
That Michigan's defensive numbers were padded against shitty offenses?
That Nebraska was irrelevant under Pelini?
 

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I've always had a soft spot for Nebraska, but the Huskers under Bo Pelini were arguably the biggest frauds in college football during that time.

They were consistently ranked, but you knew they weren't going to win their conference or even participate in a major bowl game because they routinely shat the bed in big games. These games were rarely competitive, it wasn't odd to see Nebraska's D get 50+ points hung on them.

They would also have random "WTF" games against subpar opponents, which explains why they finished with 4 losses each year.
 

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You disagree with what?
That Penn St hung 42 on that Michigan defense?
That Michigan's defensive numbers were padded against shitty offenses?
That Nebraska was irrelevant under Pelini?
Obviously we aren't going to agree, that's OK. Michigan's elite defense was extremely young, and had a bad game against PSU. Teams play a lot of shitty offenses around the country. Our defense was often put in terrible spots by our terrible offense, and stayed on the field way too long for the same reason.

Nebraska was good under Pelini and got significantly worse when he left.
 

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Well they have one of the highest rated high school QBs of all-time (if not the highest) coming in as I mentioned, so that’s an option. And once they did get to the playoffs, they proved to be the worst of the four participants. That “performance” against Alabama by Bryant and the rest of the team was embarrassing.

I agree the high school kid could be an option. I guess my point is they're so stacked everywheee else, especially on defense, they don't need a guy to be Baker Mayfield.
 

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Obviously we aren't going to agree, that's OK. Michigan's elite defense was extremely young, and had a bad game against PSU. Teams play a lot of shitty offenses around the country. Our defense was often put in terrible spots by our terrible offense, and stayed on the field way too long for the same reason.

Nebraska was good under Pelini and got significantly worse when he left.

Pelini's Nebraska was better than Michigan under Hairbawls at this point. That much we know.
However, Nebraska was irrelevant under Pelini and that did not meet Nebraska standards.
If you think Hairbawls being slightly worse than Pelini is meeting Michigan standards, that's fine.
 

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Pelini's Nebraska was better than Michigan under Hairbawls at this point. That much we know.
However, Nebraska was irrelevant under Pelini and that did not meet Nebraska standards.
If you think Hairbawls being slightly worse than Pelini is meeting Michigan standards, that's fine.
without looking, if your argument is that Nebraska was equally as relevant as Michigan -- then Nebraska was relevant. Harbaugh was a judgment call away from a playoff birth in his second year....so....that's pretty darn relevant.
 

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You get baited way too easily Maize.
 
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