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Based on whats been said about his skill set...I cant measure everything on stats, style of offense matters on every level, and in Shurmers offense, every RB he has gets massive targets, and everything i hear on Barkley is that he is so good as a pass catcher, that he will be lined up in the slot at times

I cant speak to how Penn State operated their offense, they had a very good QB, an NFL TE, an NFL WR........Maybe they just didnt run an offense that highlighted the RB as a pass catcher
Who said this? All of the reports on his as a receiver are that he's adequate, but he's never demonstrated elite receiving abilities. From the NFL.com scouting report:
  • Capable pass catcher
  • Has bouts with focus drops as pass catcher and his catch radius is limited
  • Inconsistent at take-on blocks in pass protection

I'm also not sure you know what you're talking about with Shurmur. As the Vikings OC the last 2 years, he hasn't thrown to his RBs that much at all compared to the rest of the league. McKinnon is the only one who got over 50 targets.
 

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Shocked many of us. He replaces a void left by Lewis's departure. If all the RBs stay healthy it looks like Gillissle or Bolden will be elsewhere come the start of the season. I personally hope it's Bolden as he's pretty much a ST player solely and NE already has Slater and Ebner as primary special teamers.
The media spin I have seen is NE saying his knee issues aren't as bad as reported? I wonder if BB and co. feel they can get 4 years out of him before the knees finally go due to the reported bone on bone. If nothing else BB is always looking to the future so I could see that. Use him for 4-5 years and then find your next RB.
Forgot about Lewis' departure, good point. If you get 4-5 years out of him, I'd call that a win. There's always going to be another stud RB that can be had in New England's seemingly permanent late 1st round position in the draft, it would seem. Does Jeremy Hill have a legit shot at making the team?
 

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Leveon Bell had 78 catches in a 3 year college career at MSU
MSU hardly ever throws to their RBs, and nobody was touting him as an elite receiving back based on his college numbers. Playing for an offense like Pittsburgh helps.
 

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Forgot about Lewis' departure, good point. If you get 4-5 years out of him, I'd call that a win. There's always going to be another stud RB that can be had in New England's seemingly permanent late 1st round position in the draft, it would seem. Does Jeremy Hill have a legit shot at making the team?
I think Hill has a decent shot depending on what he has left in the tank? I could see a backfield of White, Burkhead, Mickel and Hill, with one of the other RBs TBD.
 

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MSU hardly ever throws to their RBs, and nobody was touting him as an elite receiving back based on his college numbers. Playing for an offense like Pittsburgh helps.


Ok, youre just moving the goal posts now

The greatest receiving RB in the history of the NFL had less catches in college than Barkley
 

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Ok, youre just moving the goal posts now

The greatest receiving RB in the history of the NFL had less catches in college than Barkley
So that somehow proves your point that he's an elite pass catcher?? Talk about moving the goal posts.
 

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Rushing - college career:
Zeke had 592 carries for 3,961 yards (6.7 ypc)
Barkley had 653 carries for 3,704 yards (5.7 ypc)

Clearly Zeke was the better runner, and PSU has had a very solid OL for the past few years. All in all, Zeke had 61 fewer carries but produced over 250 more yards. Also, over 3 years, Barkley only had 37 more catches, which comes to less than 1 more catch per game than Zeke, and Zeke is the best blocking RB in decades, so I'd say they were both equally vital to their respective passing games and weren't "used far different".
Like I said . Both great backs but used very differently . No one is saying Zeke isnt great .
 

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Like I said . Both great backs but used very differently . No one is saying Zeke isnt great .
I know that. I was just demonstrating why I don't think it's ridiculous to say Barkley won't be in that top tier. He's an overwhelmingly elite athlete, but I just don't know that he's a pure RB, or just an athlete who was able to thrive in the position because of his gifts but not necessarily his technical skills.
 

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I know that. I was just demonstrating why I don't think it's ridiculous to say Barkley won't be in that top tier. He's an overwhelmingly elite athlete, but I just don't know that he's a pure RB, or just an athlete who was able to thrive in the position because of his gifts but not necessarily his technical skills.
I honestly don't think anyone can know for 100 at the RB position as there's a litany of guys with unreal college numbers who flop I'm the NFL. Tgat saud B10 backs have a far better track record than most
 

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I honestly don't think anyone can know for 100 at the RB position as there's a litany of guys with unreal college numbers who flop I'm the NFL. Tgat saud B10 backs have a far better track record than most
Now that part is true. The B1G is currently ruling the roost with Elliott, Bell, Melvin Gordon, and Jordan Howard all in the top 10 in the league last year in yards.

Honestly, barring some insane injury, I knew Zeke would be an elite NFL back. He just ticked all the boxes. As long as Goodell doesn't give him anymore bullshit suspensions, he's going to be a phenomenal RB for years to come. That said, with Barkley's skillset and history, there is a chance he could wind up being more Reggie Bush than Adrian Peterson.
 

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Barkley or Darnold are my top choices right now to be OROTY.
 

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Yeah the odds are very stacked against him. I would say he would need to have gone to a much better team with a much better QB to ever think he could win OROY. IF he was with Rodgers then I might give this more of an opportunity to actually happen. As is with Flacco though I just highly doubt he gets even 500 yards this season receiving. Heck they have only had 1 TE go over 700 yards in the past I think 10 years and that was barely over 700. It is going to take a 1,000 yard/12 TD type season for him to even be considered.

Woops I forgot, your ratings are more prolific than the actual pros that get paid to evaluate these players....:rolleyes2:
And so let's see, your theory is if it hasn't been done before, it can't be done.....And you need a superstar qb to even be mentioned....
It's always impossible til someone does it, I would have loved to see your opinion on Tom Brady coming out of the draft and his chances of ever winning 1 SB with the then hapless Patriots, let alone 5....
So one thing is for sure according your theory, no TE in Donkey land will ever be named anything but frustrated in that QB Goodwill store....:tsk:
 

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What am I missing here with Hurst. His athleticism isn't off the charts like Geisicki and he's like 25... Yeah baseball flunky but still.
 

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Woops I forgot, your ratings are more prolific than the actual pros that get paid to evaluate these players....:rolleyes2:
And so let's see, your theory is if it hasn't been done before, it can't be done.....And you need a superstar qb to even be mentioned....
It's always impossible til someone does it, I would have loved to see your opinion on Tom Brady coming out of the draft and his chances of ever winning 1 SB with the then hapless Patriots, let alone 5....
So one thing is for sure according your theory, no TE in Donkey land will ever be named anything but frustrated in that QB Goodwill store....:tsk:

Wow touchy much? I just said the odds are stacked against it happening...Does that sound like "it will never happen?" And yes I do think Flacco being the QB hurts his chances. If he went to a more pass happy team with great QB play then I would like his odds more. Is that some big revelation? If he was paired with Tom Brady, who has used the TE position perfectly, wouldn't you think the guy has a better chance?

As for player evaluations I just was stating my opinion. Teams will disagree all the time on player evaluations. I can tell you I know there were a lot of teams that didn't have Hurst as their top TE in this draft. Part of that being his age, and part of that being they just liked some other skill sets of players that fit their offense better.
 

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What am I missing here with Hurst. His athleticism isn't off the charts like Geisicki and he's like 25... Yeah baseball flunky but still.
Speaking of the PSU TE, how on earth are the Dolphins gonna use him? Feels like they added 4-5 slot WR's this year between the draft and FA. If Geis could block he would've gone a lot higher methinks.
 

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Wow touchy much? I just said the odds are stacked against it happening...Does that sound like "it will never happen?" And yes I do think Flacco being the QB hurts his chances. If he went to a more pass happy team with great QB play then I would like his odds more. Is that some big revelation? If he was paired with Tom Brady, who has used the TE position perfectly, wouldn't you think the guy has a better chance?

As for player evaluations I just was stating my opinion. Teams will disagree all the time on player evaluations. I can tell you I know there were a lot of teams that didn't have Hurst as their top TE in this draft. Part of that being his age, and part of that being they just liked some other skill sets of players that fit their offense better.

You don't know that he would do any better with AR or Brady, they have learn each others style and power skills t
before they light the world up....But you said, you didn't have him even top 2 and with Flacco, no chance, never been done before but then with AR it's possible....
Just how many SB's has AR won with his 3 yr jump on Flacco that you consider him such a Phenom ?
He is one of the best skill wise in the NFL , but not the perfect fix all that you make him out to be...
He actually doesn't feel the same as you do about Flacco, as I've heard him say, he has proven he can do it at anytime and has the MVP to show you....
No I'm not over touchy about it, qb's don't last forever and one day he and AR will be gone, but they are both champions any way you look at it and given the right tools, they could do it again...
 

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You don't know that he would do any better with AR or Brady, they have learn each others style and power skills t
before they light the world up....But you said, you didn't have him even top 2 and with Flacco, no chance, never been done before but then with AR it's possible....
Just how many SB's has AR won with his 3 yr jump on Flacco that you consider him such a Phenom ?
He is one of the best skill wise in the NFL , but not the perfect fix all that you make him out to be...
He actually doesn't feel the same as you do about Flacco, as I've heard him say, he has proven he can do it at anytime and has the MVP to show you....
No I'm not over touchy about it, qb's don't last forever and one day he and AR will be gone, but they are both champions any way you look at it and given the right tools, they could do it again...

I don't know that he would have done better but I do know that skill wise Rodgers and Brady are much better QB's than that of Flacco. So the odds of a player doing better with them at QB compared to that of Flacco are pretty high.

Heck look at what the Ravens did this offseason just to show how much they don't believe in Flacco being their future at the QB position. That Super Bowl MVP seems like quite a while ago and Flacco has nowhere near lived up to the contract he signed.

As for the TE class this last year I had Dallas Goedert, Mike Gesicki, and Mark Andrews all rated higher than him. I feel like each of those guys offer a higher ceiling in the NFL than Hurst.
 
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