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Let's change some fucking rules.

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Can't advance a fumble, it goes back to the spot of the fumble.

It's not an advance......the ball went out of bounds through the endzone. Advancing a fumble is picking it up and running with it.
 

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It's not an advance......the ball went out of bounds through the endzone. Advancing a fumble is picking it up and running with it.

So why don't we see people fumble it out of bounds for a first down?
 

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So why don't we see people fumble it out of bounds for a first down?

Some actually do. Just not always on purpose.

Let's say you need to get to the 3 for a first down......but you're not going to make it.......what's to stop a player from fumbling it forward from say the 5 across the pylon out of bounds to get it at the 1 as you suggest?

If you fumble in the EZ there are consequences........a touchback being one of them, a safety the other. Not sure what the problem with this rule is.
 

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Some actually do. Just not always on purpose.

Let's say you need to get to the 3 for a first down......but you're not going to make it.......what's to stop a player from fumbling it forward from say the 5 across the pylon out of bounds to get it at the 1 as you suggest?

If you fumble in the EZ there are consequences........a touchback being one of them, a safety the other. Not sure what the problem with this rule is.

I thought it was because the ball goes back to the spot of the fumble, not where it goes out of bounds.

But it can go out of bounds and lose yards.

The issue is the defense never gained possession of the ball to get a touchback. It should be treated like any other fumble. If a defensive played gains possession of the ball in their endzone, then touchback is the obvious result. But if the defensive player doesn't gain possession, they shouldn't be given it.
 

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Running into the kicker.
Roughing the kicker.

It's fucking ridiculous.
Make it a 15 yard penalty or nothing at all.

Like they did that stupid face mask penalty incidental/personal foul.
They took care of that crap, it's time to do away with "running into the kicker".


What else is stupid AF

This is not "stupid as fuck"

Accidentally clipping a punter's leg, shouldn't carry the same weight as barreling into him.

It should not automatically give a team a first down, which can change the entire complexion of a large number of games.
 

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Some actually do. Just not always on purpose.

Let's say you need to get to the 3 for a first down......but you're not going to make it.......what's to stop a player from fumbling it forward from say the 5 across the pylon out of bounds to get it at the 1 as you suggest?

If you fumble in the EZ there are consequences........a touchback being one of them, a safety the other. Not sure what the problem with this rule is.

Inside of 2 minutes in either half. Any fumble which is either recovered by the offense, or goes out of bounds. Is dead upon recovery by the offense, and if it rolled forward. It is returned back to the original spot of the fumble.
 

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I thought it was because the ball goes back to the spot of the fumble, not where it goes out of bounds.

But it can go out of bounds and lose yards.

The issue is the defense never gained possession of the ball to get a touchback. It should be treated like any other fumble. If a defensive played gains possession of the ball in their endzone, then touchback is the obvious result. But if the defensive player doesn't gain possession, they shouldn't be given it.

I see it the opposite way.

WHY does the offense benefit from the fumble? They did nothing to KEEP it either. And the EZ is different from any other spot of the field.......there are consequences.
 

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I see it the opposite way.

WHY does the offense benefit from the fumble? They did nothing to KEEP it either. And the EZ is different from any other spot of the field.......there are consequences.

They keep the ball because they had original possession.
 

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In just want them to call offensive pass interference once a season. DBs can barely touch WRs, but a WR pushing off is now accepted
 

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If you complain to an official, or throw your hands up in the air because you didn't get a PI call, it should be an Unsportmanlike conduct penalty.

Offensive PI should be a 10 yard penalty with loss of down.
 

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In any other part of the field.......sure.

The EZ......nope. Consequences.
That's fucking retarded. If the defense never recovered the ball, they don't get the ball.

Make all fumbles that go out of bounds belong to the offense at the spot of the fumble, regardless of where the ball is fumbled. End of discussion.
 

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If you complain to an official, or throw your hands up in the air because you didn't get a PI call, it should be an Unsportmanlike conduct penalty.

Offensive PI should be a 10 yard penalty with loss of down.
Your first one is stupid, refs are too incompetent for that. Young dudes who have every right to be pissed shouldn't be expected to just sit back and not show emotion when a ref fucks up.

Love your second one.
 

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Your first one is stupid, refs are too incompetent for that. Young dudes who have every right to be pissed shouldn't be expected to just sit back and not show emotion when a ref fucks up.

Love your second one.
Be pissed, but act like a man about it, not a child.
 

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They keep the ball because they had original possession.

That's not what his point of contention is. He's saying they shouldn't get the extra 5 yards or whatever that it rolls, before going out of bounds.
 

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That's not what his point of contention is. He's saying they shouldn't get the extra 5 yards or whatever that it rolls, before going out of bounds.

I don't think they do, nor should they.
 

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I see it the opposite way.

WHY does the offense benefit from the fumble? They did nothing to KEEP it either. And the EZ is different from any other spot of the field.......there are consequences.

So, do you think when an offense loses yardage on a fumble that rolls out. It should also go back to the original spot? By your logic, why should the defense benefit from that?
 

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I don't think they do, nor should they.

Outside of the final 2 minutes in either half. If you fumble a ball forward, and it goes out of bounds. You absolutely, 100% get that yardage.
 

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Outside of the final 2 minutes in either half. If you fumble a ball forward, and it goes out of bounds. You absolutely, 100% get that yardage.

In college? Because you are talking about the holy roller rule, and I'm not sure if it's the same in college. I actually started to mention it in my original post, but then took it out because I remembered it was an NFL thing.
 

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In college? Because you are talking about the holy roller rule, and I'm not sure if it's the same in college. I actually started to mention it in my original post, but then took it out because I remembered it was an NFL thing.

The "holy roller" rule is what brings the ball back to the spot it was fumbled at, when inside of 2 minutes or on 4th down. NCAA does not have this rule inside of it's final 2 minutes (there is no two-minute warning), but they do have it on 4th down.

Fumbling a ball forward out of bounds, and getting the yardage. That is a universal football rule, that has always existed and is not unique to any level of play.
 
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