Which team will have more wins this upcoming year?

[Fountain City Blues]

SB Champs led the world in Rushing

lolol, and they pass drunk with backup QB's in the NFCCG and SB. Stop it.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

if Dallas and NE fans think the Giants will suck, I better get ready for another parade

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

lolol, and they pass drunk with backup QB's in the NFCCG and SB. Stop it.

The KC Chiefs MVP was unequivocally the guy running the ball

 

[Fountain City Blues]

The KC Chiefs MVP was unequivocally the guy running the ball

He was a top 5 player on the offense, I agree.

Smith
Hill
Kelce
Schwartz
Hunt

Not even top 5 on the offense with the addition of Watkins going into this year. You're arguing he's the MVP when the Chiefs were dead last in 1st half pass/run ratio, lmao. If Hunt has extra value due to the defense being bad and gameflow like Zeke had in 2016, hey we can talk about that, but that's not really something Hunt controls.


Players currently more valuable than Hunt on the Chiefs in no order

Mahomes
Hill
Kelce
Schwartz
Watkins
Houston
Jones
Berry
Fuller
Morse
Tardif


With Ware returning it devalues Hunt due to redundancy, but it makes the team better so /shrugs

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

He was a top 5 player on the offense, I agree.

Smith
Hill
Kelce
Schwartz
Hunt

Not even top 5 on the offense with the addition of Watkins going into this year. You're arguing he's the MVP when the Chiefs were dead last in 1st half pass/run ratio, lmao.

Sammy Watkins is pretty awful, Kareem Hunt will absolutely be a more valuable player

Ill give ya Hill and Kelce, those guys are great

 

[flyerhawk]

I think Moose is overstating the case a bit. But it is hard to argue that elite running backs can carry teams. The days of Barry Sanders are long over.

That doesn't mean that Barkley can't be great for the Giants. But if their OL stinks he probably won't be.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Sammy Watkins is pretty awful, Kareem Hunt will absolutely be a more valuable player

Ill give ya Hill and Kelce, those guys are great

Eh, he was very good his first two years in a sketchy offense, had a serious foot injury, and then got traded very late in the offseason to a team with a year 2 QB. He looked pretty explosive again with the Rams, and was open at a very good rate. That's fine with me. He's still very young. I don't know if he's elite like maybe you might think he should be, but he's certainly better than the last two seasons in terms of yardage output.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I think Moose is overstating the case a bit. But it is hard to argue that elite running backs can carry teams. The days of Barry Sanders are long over.

That doesn't mean that Barkley can't be great for the Giants. But if their OL stinks he probably won't be.

Exactly (they have made pretty significant OL improvements)

Moose comes from a place where he is talking about a basher that will get 30 carries

I understand that guy being phased out

But the impact of a dual threat back, the likes of Bell, Hunt, Zeke, Gurley, David Johnson

What those guys do for an offense? Huge, Gurley was almost the league MVP

Youre a Seattle fan, they were destroyed by a lack of a running threat last season

 

[flyerhawk]

Exactly (they have made pretty significant OL improvements)

Moose comes from a place where he is talking about a basher that will get 30 carries

I understand that guy being phased out

But the impact of a dual threat back, the likes of Bell, Hunt, Zeke, Gurley, David Johnson

What those guys do for an offense? Huge, Gurley was almost the league MVP

Youre a Seattle fan, they were destroyed by a lack of a running threat last season

Yeah I agree that having a really good running back is better than not having one.

For the Giants, the main reason I criticize the Barkley pick isn't that he is a bad pick so much as Eli Manning is 37 years old and has been on the decline for several years. Maybe he can turn it around this year and have 3 more really productive years but I have a hard time believing that.

Barkley will help the offense. But they are banking on Solder and a rookiie locking down the left side of the line.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Yeah I agree that having a really good running back is better than not having one.

For the Giants, the main reason I criticize the Barkley pick isn't that he is a bad pick so much as Eli Manning is 37 years old and has been on the decline for several years. Maybe he can turn it around this year and have 3 more really productive years but I have a hard time believing that.

Barkley will help the offense. But they are banking on Solder and a rookiie locking down the left side of the line.

I was on the Barkley board, just for the pure entertainment value, but I was in the minority in NY, most thought the wiser move was a QB, but our GM kept hinting at not loving any of these QB's, so I guess if thats the case....But Yeah, I dont expect any turn back the clock from Eli, all im hoping is that Barkley, a better Oline, a healthy WR corps, he wont be asked to do as much as last season

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Exactly (they have made pretty significant OL improvements)

Moose comes from a place where he is talking about a basher that will get 30 carries

I understand that guy being phased out

But the impact of a dual threat back, the likes of Bell, Hunt, Zeke, Gurley, David Johnson

What those guys do for an offense? Huge, Gurley was almost the league MVP

Youre a Seattle fan, they were destroyed by a lack of a running threat last season

Well, I am coming from a bit more out there place. I'd be fine with passing it 50 times a game. If people are uncomfortable with that I don't totally blame them, but there are plenty of high percentage ways to move the ball in the passing game. With the passing rules the way that they are, the pass/run balance is pretty broken.

Regarding Barkley since that is kind of where this thread is going, I think he'll do very well for himself and probably is the favorite for OROtY, but it's the receiving ability that makes him stand apart, not the running game. Slick way to finesse an OL is to just pass it... quickly

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Well, I am coming from a bit more out there place. I'd be fine with passing it 50 times a game. If people are uncomfortable with that I don't totally blame them, but there are plenty of high percentage ways to move the ball in the passing game. With the passing rules the way that they are, the pass/run balance is pretty broken.

Regarding Barkley since that is kind of where this thread is going, I think he'll do very well for himself and probably is the favorite for OROtY, but it's the receiving ability that makes him stand apart, not the running game. Slick way to finesse an OL is to just pass it... quickly

Agreed, i expect him to be a pass catching monster in a Shurmer offense, and I love that he is coming in with a reputation as a ferocious blocker (For a RB)

 

[Fountain City Blues]

In fact, I am kind of interested in Mike Leach's schtick at Wazzu of only running the ball out of an audible.

 

[jarntt]

For the Giants, the main reason I criticize the Barkley pick isn't that he is a bad pick so much as Eli Manning is 37 years old and has been on the decline for several years. .

Exactly. Unless the Giants did not like any of the QBs their decision was baffling and fantasticly fabulous for a futile future. What Idiots they have become. The "Giant way" used to mean something. Now they just make poor decision after poor decision.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Exactly. Unless the Giants did not like any of the QBs their decision was baffling and fantasticly fabulous for a futile future. What Idiots they have become. The "Giant way" used to mean something. Now they just make poor decision after poor decision.

Next year's QB class looks awful too as of right now. The Tyree kid out of Buffalo looks cool though and may be this class's best bet at a good QB prospect.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Exactly. Unless the Giants did not like any of the QBs their decision was baffling and fantasticly fabulous for a futile future. What Idiots they have become. The "Giant way" used to mean something. Now they just make poor decision after poor decision.

LMAO

 

[Pure Steel]

Eli lives locally and frequents a restaurant that we go to.....I hate to tell Dirt this, but he parks in the handicapping spot out front and is helped into the restaurant almost every visit....He should be fine when they blitz him this upcoming season.....

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Next year's QB class looks awful too as of right now. The Tyree kid out of Buffalo looks cool though and may be this class's best bet at a good QB prospect.

They Giants do like this kid they took out of Richmond

Everyone calm down, Im not predicting greatness, just saying a lotta great things coming out from these early workouts

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

"The Giant way used to mean something"

Has to be the Post of the Decade

 

[jarntt]

"The Giant way used to mean something"

Has to be the Post of the Decade

And 100% true