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He got 32 points, 9 assists, and 7 rebounds. He is on his best 16 game span for assists. And he passed the point he needed to to round his season average to 5.7.
 

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Trey Burke is now on his best 70 game-span for assists, points, rebounds, steals, shooting (both two, three pointers, and free-throws), and turnovers (least). Of course, it is also his worst 70 game-span, too (having only played 70 games in his career so far).
 

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Looking at per36 numbers (rookie years):

Deron Williams: 13.5 points, 5.6 assists, 3.0 rebounds, 0.9 steals, 42.1% shooting, 41.6% 3-PT, and 70.4% FT.

Trey Burke: 14.2 points, 6.3 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 0.7 steals, 38.0% shooting, 33.3% 3-PT, and 90.3% FT.

I expect Burke to get better next year, but I do think that Williams top numbers will be higher. I am not willing to expect Williams numbers (10+ assists, 20 points, 50% shooting, etc.) until Burke shows it. He may never show it. But it's a good start.

He needs to shoot better and make better decisions on when/where to shoot, pass, or drive. Right now, I expect 42.1% next year. I know that's behind Williams, but I'm not going to expect too much, yet.

They are different point guards with different sizes and different personnel around them. They even have different system, even if the majority is the same.
 
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Here are the cherry picking stats, good and bad - assists. First 11, next 18, next 11, etc.

11 games - 4.18
18 games - 6.78
11 games - 4.64
3 games - 7.67
16 games - 4.31
11 games - 7.73
 

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I don't think you're comparing to Oladipo (especially what Oladipo might do next year) enough.

Also, to other rookie PGs, because who cares how he compares to most players who won't make it in the league, it's the ones that were good rookies in the past, that makes it more meaningful comparisons. The ones that made an impact in their careers, and were solid rotation players.
 

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Since you asked for stats regarding Hayward, here are some:

1. He had an 8 game span where he shot over 50%.
2. He had a 10 game span where he shot over 50% from the three point line.
3. He had a 15 game span where he shot over 40% from the three point line.
4. He had a 10 game span where he shot over 90% from the free throw line.
5. He has gone 41+ games with over 85% from the FT and 35% from 3-PT line. Not necessarily the same span. (I only did my spreadsheet to half a season, so I don't know actual numbers.)
6. He had a 26 game span averaging 6 rebounds or more. 41+ over 5.6.
7. He had a 26 game span averaging 6 assists or more. 41+ over 5.7.
8. He had a 9 game span averaging 2 steals or more. 41+ over 1.7.
9. He had a 4 game span averaging 2 blocks or more. 41+ over 0.75.
10. He had a 10 game span averaging 20 points or more. 41+ over 17.

More details later, but I have to go now.
 

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I don't think you're comparing to Oladipo (especially what Oladipo might do next year) enough.

Also, to other rookie PGs, because who cares how he compares to most players who won't make it in the league, it's the ones that were good rookies in the past, that makes it more meaningful comparisons. The ones that made an impact in their careers, and were solid rotation players.

? I just compared him to a former Jazz man in a similar system and in the same year f their career. I imagine that Deron is good enough to compare to and yes, Burke will be here awhile.

I'm confused to what you are referring to. Which post?
 

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Since you asked for stats regarding Hayward, here are some:

1. He had an 8 game span where he shot over 50%.
2. He had a 10 game span where he shot over 50% from the three point line.
3. He had a 15 game span where he shot over 40% from the three point line.
4. He had a 10 game span where he shot over 90% from the free throw line.
5. He has gone 41+ games with over 85% from the FT and 35% from 3-PT line. Not necessarily the same span. (I only did my spreadsheet to half a season, so I don't know actual numbers.)
6. He had a 26 game span averaging 6 rebounds or more. 41+ over 5.6.
7. He had a 26 game span averaging 6 assists or more. 41+ over 5.7.
8. He had a 9 game span averaging 2 steals or more. 41+ over 1.7.
9. He had a 4 game span averaging 2 blocks or more. 41+ over 0.75.
10. He had a 10 game span averaging 20 points or more. 41+ over 17.

More details later, but I have to go now.

Thanks.

26 games in a row with 6+ assists, nice.

Blocks was interesting too.
 

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? I just compared him to a former Jazz man in a similar system and in the same year f their career. I imagine that Deron is good enough to compare to and yes, Burke will be here awhile.

I'm confused to what you are referring to. Which post?

Wasn't referring to a specif post. Was just wondering how Burke compared to rookies in general, not just his draft class, but ones from the past.

Since you're also including other Jazz rookies from the past, then I think that's sufficient, you've expanded your comparison list.
 

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Thanks.

26 games in a row with 6+ assists, nice.

Blocks was interesting too.

Just to clarify, he averaged over six assists for that 26 games. He didn't get 6 assists in each game. Burke averaged over six assists for a 38 game span. But he was the point guard and Hayward was not. There was a higher rate for Hayward as far as when he was playing the point, I presume. I have no stats on that, just an assumption. It's a possibility that a lot of the assists were swing passes, which are not really a point guard thing, per se. Just a basketball player thing.
 

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Wall was inconsistent, but I think he was better than Burke in Burke's rookie year.
 

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Just to clarify, he averaged over six assists for that 26 games. He didn't get 6 assists in each game. Burke averaged over six assists for a 38 game span. But he was the point guard and Hayward was not. There was a higher rate for Hayward as far as when he was playing the point, I presume. I have no stats on that, just an assumption. It's a possibility that a lot of the assists were swing passes, which are not really a point guard thing, per se. Just a basketball player thing.

I don't think Hayward actually played the point, but that he would do something when Burke couldn't, on a possession. Burke would get the first chance.

As of right now, I think Hayward is a better PG, and I want Hayward shooting less anyways.

I also think Tinlsey, over the last few years, was better at assists per minute then Burke, this year. Stats show this to be true. Playing in the same system, with the same players.

As I've mentioned recently, it's about drives and screens, and Tinsley right now is better at all of that, than Burke is, right now.

Even in the games where Burke would get more assists, I usually didn't see anything special about them, like I saw with Tinsley.

So I don't think Burke has a commanding floor presence yet.
 

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Goran Dragic, even in his 1st few years, I saw more from, than I saw from Burke. Dragic was annoying, and I didn't like how good he was.

Now I like him and root for him, but in his 1st few years, he annoyed me by how well he'd play.
 

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Kendall Marshall was another player that got a lot of assists with even worse talent than the Jazz.
 

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I don't think Hayward actually played the point, but that he would do something when Burke couldn't, on a possession. Burke would get the first chance.

As of right now, I think Hayward is a better PG, and I want Hayward shooting less anyways.

I also think Tinlsey, over the last few years, was better at assists per minute then Burke, this year. Stats show this to be true. Playing in the same system, with the same players.

As I've mentioned recently, it's about drives and screens, and Tinsley right now is better at all of that, than Burke is, right now.

Even in the games where Burke would get more assists, I usually didn't see anything special about them, like I saw with Tinsley.

So I don't think Burke has a commanding floor presence yet.

Keyword there is yet. I won't bet anything or say that he would be great, but there will be something more, not just stats-wise.
 
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