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The Game-By-Game MVPs Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by MHSL82, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. nuraman00

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    I wonder if there will be a game this year where Gobert has 4 blocks and Mitchell has 4 steals.

    And each player has 1 turnover or less.

    I wouldn't mind it if it were the other way around, either. Gobert with 4 steals and Mitchell with 4 blocks.

    Substitute Favors or Ingles too. I guess any Jazz player, but these four (Gobert, Mitchell, Favors, Ingles) are the most likely to get blocks and steals.
     



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    For Gobert, were you referring to better FOUL shooting? He went 9-15 from the foul line.
     
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    With regards to Mitchell's fouls, it's ok to use Gobert as a safety, but it's also not a good idea to put Gobert in a position to pick up more fouls too.

    In the 90s and early 2000s, I thought Sloan's teams fouled too much.

    I think they're better now, but I don't want the fouls to be reduced because they are getting beaten off the dribble more.

    They have to find ways to keep the man and the ball in front of them.
     
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    I didn't see the game, but somehow I feel Favors did ok, he just didn't show up in the stat sheet. But as I said, I didn't see the game.
     
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    Welcome back Burks.
     
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    Aaagh, someone has a 10 steal game, and I didn't see it.

    I know he's on the Clippers, but I don't think I've ever seen an 8 steal game on TV. It would have been cool to see a 10 steal game because of how rare it is. And it's not a playoffs game, so it's easier to appreciate it because the stakes don't matter as much if an opposing team does something like this.

    Los Angeles Clippers at Utah Jazz Play-By-Play, January 20, 2018 | Basketball-Reference.com

    7:10.0 11-13 Turnover by J. Ingles (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    5:15.0 44-57 Turnover by D. Favors (lost ball; steal by L. Williams)
    4:13.0 46-59 Turnover by D. Mitchell (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    7:51.0 67-88 Turnover by R. Rubio (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    4:29.0 77-94 Turnover by D. Mitchell (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    2:02.0 86-98 Turnover by R. O'Neale (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    1:11.0 86-102 Turnover by D. Favors (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    6:48.0 99-108 Turnover by J. Ingles (bad pass; steal by L. Williams)
    5:48.0 100-110 Turnover by D. Mitchell (lost ball; steal by L. Williams)
    1:59.0 108-117 Turnover by D. Mitchell (lost ball; steal by L. Williams)

    The Steals were broken down like this:

    Mitchell x4
    Ingles x2
    Favors x2
    Rubio
    O'Neale

    They were categorized like this:

    Bad Pass: x7
    Lost Ball: x3

    I think the last 10 steal game was in the 70s.

    I remember when a rookie Jameer Nelson had 9 steals, most of which were on Iverson. That's the last time I remember a 9 steal game.
     
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    @MHSL82 says he likes the steals where someone takes it away from the other person.

    So the ultimate 10 steal game would consist of 10 "lost balls", instead of "bad passes".

    Because that would be the stealer took it.

     
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    Yes, just like I said, free throw shooting. ;)
     
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    After you edited it a little while ago. :dhd: ;)
     
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    Impressive week by the Jazz. It almost makes @MHSL82 want to say the Magic Words.

    Maybe if this continued for a bit longer.
     
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    Are you going to give your analysis of why they're ranked where?

    What's the highest Joe Johnson was this year?
     
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    I fell behind. Felt it was better to have it there first. Then, I was coming back to fill it out. It might change a bit when I type it out. Typing it out is sometimes talking it out. Things become clearer that it's "right" or wrong. It forces me to also look more at non-point, non-assist factors and also more on turnovers and shooting.
     
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    So are you saying "I'm late, I'm late"?
     
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    Well, I'm not exactly saying this:

     
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    Why did we get the Kyrie Irving trade so wrong?

     
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    0 turnovers from Rubio is impressive.

    Favors and Rubio combined for 0 turnovers. Wow.
     
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    I think for Crowder, the rankings should be relative to expectations. He's not going to get blocks. He might get some steals (he used to in Boston).

    So if it's a good game for him, then it should be weighted a little more than if, for example, Gobert had the same game.

    For O'Neale, he played 38 minutes, 2nd most in the game.

    Crowder also played 33 minutes, and you liked his hustle.

    As for the rankings:

    1) Mitchell
    2) Favors
    3) O'Neale
    4) Crowder
    5) Gobert (seemed like an average game for him, given his high standards).
    6) Ingles
    7) Jerebko (missed less shots than Neto, even if he played less minutes).

    Also, Favors is shooting 54.7% from the field. That's really good for him, it's his highest of any season.
     
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    I'm also glad you had fun watching that game. Looked like a good one.
     
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    I agree in general. I meant in comparison to Favors. I don't know why I said blocks. I really meant rebounds, blocks, etc. I meant he didn't do much other than score. I wanted to have his 15 and 5 be higher than Favors 15 and 11 because it was Crowder's first game, but I didn't think it was as much overall to the game as Favors.

    Adjusted my above rankings. O'Neale's game was one of those, if you didn't watch the game, it was ehh statistically. He seemed to do a lot of off-the-ball stuff, especially defensive. So, yes, O'Neale should be higher than Ingles. I wonder how different my rankings would be if I watched every game... live. I would never trade my family time for it, but that would be fun.

    As for Gobert, it was an average game statistically, but I did think he did more, including a 19 foot jumpshot that he usually doesn't even take. I would have put Crowder ahead originally if he didn't miss so many shots. I think Gobert did more than Crowder.

    As for Ingles vs. Crowder... I value assists and shooting. I feel that Ingles was a spark, getting into the Spurs flow. He frustrated Pau Gasol a few times and did a good job against Ginobli at times.

    Jerebko vs. Neto. I think it's 6's. 3 more missed shots is more important than 2 assists? I don't know. But since he did have 1 more turnover and 4 more fouls, I suppose the negative could outweigh the positive. So, I will defer to your assessment.