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Star Wars: The Last Jedi- Why Such a Critic/Audience RT Score Disparity?

Discussion in 'Entertainment: Movies & TV Shows' started by Omar 382, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:56 PM.

  1. Omar 382

    Omar 382 Well-Known Member

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    I am not a Star Wars guy, haven't seen any of them outside of the original trilogy (which I saw so long ago that I couldn't even rate it), so I'll ask you guys.

    It's normal for critic and audiences to give somewhat significantly different ratings on the same movie, but it's rarer when there are a large number of critic reviews (as opposed to just 20 critic reviews). It's rarer when it's a new film (such that audiences today aren't retroactively going back and viewing films with slightly different lenses). And it's extremely rare when it's a huge blockbuster film.

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi got a 90% from critics on RT, but a 49% from the audience. Star Wars: The Last Jedi

    Any explanations?

    Oh, and for reference, Rouge One: A Star Wars Story got a 85% from critics and 87% from the audience.
    Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens got a 93% from critics, and an 88% from the audience.
     



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    A good number of Star Wars fans thought the movie blew apart a lot of the mysticism around the force. Luke Skywalker refuted the force and then joins Obi Wan in the netherworld etc.

    I don't understand it myself. I don't think it was that controversial.

    I liked it and thought it was pretty good overall.

    I liked Rogue One a good deal as well.

    So far I think this series is second to the original 3
     
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    I grew up with the originals but certainly not a major fan. My son wanted to see Last Jedi a few weeks ago so we went. I liked it for whatever its worth. It was kinda cool to pick the story back up with some of the same characters I grew up with.
     
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    Plot holes: the movie
     
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    -The casino scene is completely useless
    -smoak death stupid
    -captain phasma death, why?
    -Rose/Finn
    -How they made Luke behave
    -poorly timed comedic relief
    -cgi chewbacca

    i could go on, would love to see why people liked this one? besides nice visuals, i was not a fan the direction disney/writers/director went after JJ Abrams set them up nicely
     
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    I had no problem with a disenchanted Luke who, in the end, died like a true Jedi. I like that battle a good deal, especially the brush off of death by Luke
    I liked the battle between Rey and little Darth. Liked her moral and mental triumph over the dark side
    I was surprised by Smoak's death and had no problem with it.
    who was captain phasma?
    The Rose/Finn thing didn't bother me. He wasn't worthy of Rey anyways
    I didn't notice CGI chewbacca.

    I thought the saving of Princess Leia was dumb.
    Yeah the casino scene was kinda stupid.
     
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    Luke wouldn't have tried to kill his sisters son. Luke wouldn't be a little bitch and not help the resistance/train Rey. Luke's death was stupid. If he was going to die anyways, why not go to the fucking planet and spark hope for the rebellion while the rest escape? LAME

    The battle with the red guards was cool.

    Smoaks suppose to be this omnibeing who was able to trick Rey and Kylo ren, yet cant hear the rattling light saber next to him and dies like a chump? He was suppose to be this big badass baddie but dies like a chump.

    How is Rey so good at the force and using a lightsaber? It takes years and years of training, but this girl who came from no Jedi family line is a beast at it? BULLSHIT

    Rose was stupid af. She falls in love with Finn in a 12 hour time span? And the scene where she flies into his ship when he was going to die like a hero; that would probably kill them both. And how do they get back to the base with no transportation while in front of a bunch of ATATs and firepower?

    I agree he wasnt worth of Rey and I dont think they were ever intended to be more than friends.
     
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    Everyone on the resistance was unlikeable. Like Rose referring to the rich aliens as "the worst people in the galaxy" before tearing up their casino and town. Some hero.
     
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    Since we're just giving our own opinions instead of answering the OP's question. :) Here's mine....

    I didn't hate the movie but don't really think it was very good (by Star Wars standards). So far I have the same feeling about this trilogy as I did the prequels after their first 2 installments but not really for the same reason. I was entertained by all of them because they are Star Wars, but wasn't even close to being blown away and not excited about re-watching them any time soon. The original 3, Rogue One, and even Episode 3 I enjoy re-watching now and then but not so much any of the other movies.

    A lot of the criticisms of the movie I consider valid but would have been willing to overlook them if it had an interesting story, which in my opinion it did not. I feel like most of us could have written as good of a story and many of you probably could have written better. I don't mean the exact dialogue and every last detail but the general overall story arc was just kind of boring, with a few interesting beats thrown in there.

    The characters in this trilogy (old and new) aren't that great, but would maybe be better if not for all the forced and poorly timed humor attempts. A defected storm trooper seemed like a very interesting idea, and way to get another perspective. In canon material outside the movies, Wedge Antiilles was once a pilot for the Empire so I thought it would be cool to maybe see something similar in the movies but nope. Finn might be the worst character in all the Star Wars movies and no I haven't forgotten about Jar Jar Binks, nor am I faulting the actor for it. This is more of a problem with Episode 7 than 8 though so I'll just leave it at that. Kylo Ren also had lots of potential to be a cool character but again his arc is pretty lame. He just wants to be bad for the sake of being bad even though he gets urges to turn to the light once in a while. We've seen good characters be tempted and even succumb to the dark side for various reasons that made sense, but Kylo just wants to be bad because he learned that his Grampy was bad. Sure they explained why he turned on Luke but from Kylo's perspective, he simply perceived Luke as the bad guy in that scenario. Rey is a Mary Sue and the rest are all just okay.
     
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    Won't someone PLEASE think of the gamblers!
     
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    Agreed, it's almost like they are recycling some storylines/ideas from the original trilogy
     
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    Critics love Rian Johnson so a lot of them were already predisposed to give him good marks. If you read many of their reviews, you'll see most are giving him praise simply for the act of taking risks and making changes without ever really thinking about if those risks/changes make sense or are worth it.

    The fan score is a couple of things. Some of it is a bunch of butthurt fanboy trolls purposely driving the score down because the movie wasn't 100% how they would have done it. But there's a ton of others that are just giving the movie 7/10s which is still a solid score, they just actually take the time to see the holes in a lot of those risks/changes Johnson took that the critics glossed over.
     
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    Yup. And even the deviations aren't really that creative or interesting, for the most part at least. There has been some cool stuff but the cool stuff are just brief moments here and there and aren't really what define the story.
     
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    I agree. This film had a couple of moments that stood out, but not that many of them. I'd equate it to The Godfather Part III; it had a couple of what I'd call "good Godfather moments" in it that were offset by lots of filler.
     
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    Check out Bright on rotten tomatoes.

    Critics: 27%
    Audience: 87%
     
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    Lol, that's awesome. For the longest time, Blood Diamond (4.5/5 stars) had the largest critic/audience disparity I was aware of. 62% from critics, 90% from audience. But Bright, and now the new Star Wars, blow it out of the water (at least in terms of movies with an adequate number of reviews from each).

    I don't really "trust" one over the other, and they're usually right around each other. Besides, I sometimes enjoy watching low-rated movies, since I maintain that all movies are enjoyed subjectively.
     
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    It's probably not all that unusual to see that for "mass appeal/crowd pleaser" movies. Critics have trashed many of those... or for critics to love yet audience hate an arty movie. But for critics to love a mass appeal/crowd pleaser, but audience not ? That's really unusual.

    I'm not a big fan. I'll catch it in a year or 2 when I can watch it at home to see what the fuss is about. Negative word of mouth sure isn't stopping people from paying to see it.
     
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    I don’t disagree, but the difference in this case, 60%, seems pretty remarkable.

    Bright is on Netflix.
     
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    Isn't Force Awakens a carbon copy of 4?