Predict the B1G

[Wamu]

Sometimes the better team loses a game. Who was the better team in 2011, LSU or Bama?

Who was the better team in 2011? I'm gonna say meeeechegan.

 

[7Samurai13]

Ok, again...6 out of 7 years. Do you see a pattern happening here? Pointing to one year using the 2001 LSU and Bama situation doesn't erase the fact that over a 7 year period, they have failed the wing the B1G championship 6 times.

One of the seven years they vacated their tied title. A second year they were ineligible to win due to the vacated season in a year they were clearly the best team. Both the last two years they lose to Indiana instead of MSU and PSU they are playing in the championship game and a third year they lost in the title game that they had a lead in the 3rd quarter I believe. It's not outrageous.

 

[belcherboy]

So if we are back to Ohio States conference to lose every year. Wouldnt it be the team that is better paper, which tOSU has been for a while IMO, conference to lose regardless of the outcome?

I never disagree with your original statement. I simply said that Ohio State has managed to lose the conference almost every year. It is theirs to lose, and they've done a great job losing it over the vast majority of the past 7 years.

 

[ellupo]

I never disagree with your original statement. I simply said that Ohio State has managed to lose the conference almost every year. It is theirs to lose, and they've done a great job losing it over the vast majority of the past 7 years.

I agree they have stumbled vs. the conference champs. They should have lost to lesser teams as 7Samurai13 mentioned and they would be CC a majority of the time.

 

[belcherboy]

One of the seven years they vacated their tied title. A second year they were ineligible to win due to the vacated season in a year they were clearly the best team. Both the last two years they lose to Indiana instead of MSU and PSU they are playing in the championship game and a third year they lost in the title game that they had a lead in the 3rd quarter I believe. It's not outrageous.

I'm just going by this. Maybe I'm reading the "6 out of 7 seasons" wrong.

 

[belcherboy]

I agree they have stumbled vs. the conference champs. They should have lost to lesser teams as 7Samurai13 mentioned and they would be CC a majority of the time.

They have stumbled during the regular season just about every year in the stretch IIRC.

Regardless, most people measure conference success by whether you win championships or not...not whether you are better on paper.

 

[7Samurai13]

I'm just going by this. Maybe I'm reading the "6 out of 7 seasons" wrong.

Do you see the ^ in 2010? Why don't you look up what that is a notation for.

 

[belcherboy]

Do you see the ^ in 2010? Why don't you look up what that is a notation for.

So does losing 5 out of 7 make it that much better? Or better yet, losing 5 out of 6 if you throw that season out.

 

[Wamu]

Ok, again...6 out of 7 years. Do you see a pattern happening here? Pointing to one year using the 2001 LSU and Bama situation doesn't erase the fact that over a 7 year period, they have failed the win the B1G championship 6 times.

Yet oddly enough you seem to be the only person that cares. And why no mention of the fact that the Buckeyes couldn't even go to a bowl game in '12 because of the Tat 5?

 

[belcherboy]

Yet oddly enough you seem to be the only person that cares. And why no mention of the fact that the Buckeyes couldn't even go to a bowl game in '12 because of the Tat 5?

It sounds like many of you guys care, as you have kept the argument going.

Good call on '12...let's throw that out. They have lost 5 out of 6. Sounds a lot better!

 

[ericd7633]

They have stumbled during the regular season just about every year in the stretch IIRC.

Regardless, most people measure conference success by whether you win championships or not...not whether you are better on paper.

They went undefeated in conference play in 2012, 2013 and 2014 during the regular season.

 

[ericd7633]

Ohio State has won 86% of B1G games in the time frame we are talking about(including 2010). The next closest is Wisconsin at 75% of the games. Whether or not they have the actual conference trophy or not, they've been the best program in the B1G, and have the only Natty in the conference during that time frame as well.

 

[belcherboy]

They went undefeated in conference play in 2012, 2013 and 2014 during the regular season.

Good call! But just about every year would still be 5 out of the 7 seasons.

Lost to MSU in 2013 (conference championship)

 

[ellupo]

They have stumbled during the regular season just about every year in the stretch IIRC.

Regardless, most people measure conference success by whether you win championships or not...not whether you are better on paper.

Bama has done the same the only difference is they lost to lesser teams that did not go on to win the CC. Same conference losses as tOSU.

 

[belcherboy]

Bama has done the same the only difference is they lost to lesser teams that did not go on to win the CC. Same conference losses as tOSU.

Bama has not done the same. They have won the majority of their conference championships for well over a decade in the SEC. I wouldn't have said anything, if OSU was winning conference championships. Plus it's not the same. Penn State won the conference last year and beat OSU.

Again, keep your eye on your original statement:

the B1G is Ohio States to lose every year

That is a fact for most of the past 6-7 years (depending on if you want to throw out a season).

 

[belcherboy]

Ohio State has won 86% of B1G games in the time frame we are talking about(including 2010). The next closest is Wisconsin at 75% of the games. Whether or not they have the actual conference trophy or not, they've been the best program in the B1G, and have the only Natty in the conference during that time frame as well.

So how does that 86% factor into this statement:

the B1G is Ohio States to lose every year

That is all I commented on, yet many want to point out everything but the fact that haven't won the conference championship most years for the past 6 or 7 years.

They've been GREAT, and a won a lot of stuff...except conference championships most years in that stretch. That is all I pointed out.

 

[belcherboy]

There is A LOT of love for Ohio State on this board...which makes me sick, but they have earned it. I'm still sticking to the only thing I can be critical of them for.

They will probably go off this year, win a conference championship, and a natty and ruin most of next year for me!

 

[ericd7633]

Good call! But just about every year would still be 5 out of the 7 seasons.

Lost to MSU in 2013 (conference championship)

During the time frame they've been co-champ or champ 3 out of those 7(Even if ineligible in 2012). And last year they were in the CFP. So really in this time frame they've been the best team for 4 out of those 7 seasons.

 

[Across The Field]

Bama has not done the same. They have won the majority of their conference championships for well over a decade in the SEC. I wouldn't have said anything, if OSU was winning conference championships. Plus it's not the same. Penn State won the conference last year and beat OSU.

Again, keep your eye on your original statement: That is a fact for most of the past 6-7 years (depending on if you want to throw out a season).

It's almost identical to Alabama. If not for one of the flukiest plays in CFB history last year, Bama doesn't even play in the CCG. The year before, they lost to the same Ole Miss team. The only difference between the two is that Bama has had more beneficial conference losses, no more no less.

 

[belcherboy]

During the time frame they've been co-champ or champ 3 out of those 7(Even if ineligible in 2012). And last year they were in the CFP. So really in this time frame they've been the best team for 4 out of those 7 seasons.

But they haven't been champ or co-champ. Just because you break the rules, and are ineligible doesn't mean that you win the championship.