politics thread

[Stymietee]

They should change their name to foreskins and really piss the leftiest off imo...

Are you alright man?

 

[j_y19]

I don't get this complaint. This is still a very short investigation compared to other special counsels. Don't you want him to be thorough?

And furthermore I think plenty has been discovered to show this sure as hell isn't a witch hunt. Whether that means Trump is guilty of anything is a whole other story but it sure as hell isn't the witch hunt Trump claims.

Thorough to what end? that Trump paid some hookers hush money? At best, he gets a fine unless he is a real idiot.
That's the question I keep asking. No one wants to propose an answer. For me, its when his original purpose is fully investigated. That is Russian collusion in the campaign. If other irregularities are uncovered, turn them over to the appropriate parties and close the federal investigation.

 

[ehb5]

See, this is the type of response I don't get. What difference does it make what political party they are affiliated with? Shouldn't the goal be to identify all of the nefarious wrong doers in our system that are stealing from you and I?

It's comments like this, on both sides, that lend credence to the belief of many that this is all politically motivated. We aren't really concerned with eliminating corruption in entirety, only on the side that I don't affiliate with.

Fwiw as a conservative I agree we need to eliminate corruption no matter the party.

That's why I'm so anti trump. And why I love everything I hear about Mueller. Seems to be a genuinely trustworthy guy who will do the right thing. Very interested to see what his final report looks like (hopefully we'll actually get to see it).

 

[j_y19]

Let me ask this, if person A directs person B to make a bribe (hush money if you must) to person C in order to quash a story that would hurt person A's election chances, is that campaign money?

Not necessarily. He could have paid from Trump Industries or any one of his hundreds of companies. Or his own personal account(highly unlikely unless he is an idiot).

 

[Wunder.Noid]

Are you alright man?

If you're asking did I read 300+ pages of this bs the answer is no.

 

[Stymietee]

Not necessarily. He could have paid from Trump Industries or any one of his hundreds of companies. Or his own personal account(highly unlikely unless he is an idiot).

Does it really matter where the money came from? Isn't it most important what the money was used for? In my scenario, I specifically asked about the money being used to quash a story that would hurt person A's election chances, did you not want to address that very specific charge?

 

[Stymietee]

If you're asking did I read 300+ pages of this bs the answer is no.

Well, I'm not asking that at all, but in order to respond specifically to your concerns, some context would help! Name change or Libs are two distinctly different things!

 

[ehb5]

Its odd that Mueller is now considered a RINO when for the last 20 plus years he has been considered above reproach by both sides of the isle. He was even interviewed for the AG job by the current President.

Fast forward two weeks from that interview, he is named the head of the special counsel, and all of a sudden he is really a democrat bent on getting back at the president over everything from not getting the AG job, to some dispute over a canceled golf membership.

Yup. Mueller was one of the few people both sides of the aisle agreed was trustworthy.

Trump will do anything he can to taint that however and unfortunately people buy it.

 

[Wunder.Noid]

Well, I'm not asking that at all, but in order to respond specifically to you concerns some context would help!

My bad. I should have inserted your quote from 4 years ago.

Please go to search this thread for......"the official name change thread" let me know what you think, thanks.

I assumed this thread was also about the pc name change...

 

[j_y19]

Does it really matter where the money came from? Isn't it most important what the money was used for? In my scenario, I specifically asked about the money being used to quash a story that would hurt my election chances, did you not want to address that very specific charge?

No, it makes no difference. Campaign laws are different that laws you and I live by. Probably because they were enacted by people who run for office. Ignorance of the campaign finance laws is actually a legal defense. If you violate these laws and you claim that you didn't know you were, you can be found not guilty. You will be fined and have to repay the funds. Fucked up, huh? That's what happens when we let politicians legislate themselves.

 

[Stymietee]

My bad. I should have inserted your quote from 4 years ago.



I assumed this thread was also about the pc name change...

Nope this is a politics thread, but I understand your confusion, not wanting to read or give the thread a cursory look see in order to best understand what its about. BTW: the name change much like taking a shower is not PC, it's the correct thing to do when one or both stinks!

 

[Wunder.Noid]

Nope this is a politics thread, but I understand your confusion, not wanting to read or give the thread a cursory look see in order to best understand what its about. BTW: the name change much like taking a shower is not PC, it's the correct thing to do when one or both stinks!

 

[Stymietee]

No, it makes no difference. Campaign laws are different that laws you and I live by. Probably because they were enacted by people who run for office. Ignorance of the campaign finance laws is actually a legal defense. If you violate these laws and you claim that you didn't know you were, you can be found not guilty. You will be fined and have to repay the funds. Fucked up, huh? That's what happens when we let politicians legislate themselves.

I've actually put my name on a ballot here in Maryland and I assure you it DOES make a difference. Campaign laws are much stricter than those for everyone else making monetary transactions. Ignorance of the campaign law is NOT a legal defense because every candidate who runs for office is required to sign and file a candidate form, a candidate disclosure form and a financial form as is required by law in the manner and no later than the date required. Hard to claim that you're not guilty when you've indicated by signature that you are well versed on the law. This is what happens when someone else tells the public what is and isn't campaign law.

Here are two links..

Now I don't ask anyone to read any of this as I have, but it gives you some understanding of all the stuff that falls under "Candidate responsibility" There are links that you can click on that opens to other responsibilities of a candidate and they are numerous.


Candidacy Introduction - elections.maryland.gov
https://www.elections.maryland.gov/candidacy/index.html

Campaign Finance - Disclosure of Contributions
https://elections.maryland.gov/campaign_finance/disclosure_of...

 

[Stymietee]

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So it's your opinion that one must shower/bathe when one stinks! Got it!

 

[skinsdad62]

Look strike one on the comments !! No name calling please

I am giving you guys a fair shot , don’t blow it

 

[j_y19]

I've actually put my name on a ballot here in Maryland and I assure you it DOES make a difference. Campaign laws are much stricter than those for everyone else making monetary transactions. Ignorance of the campaign law is NOT a legal defense because every candidate who runs for office is required to sign and file a candidate form, a candidate disclosure form and a financial form as is required by law in the manner and no later than the date required. Hard to claim that you're not guilty when you've indicated by signature that you are well versed on the law. This is what happens when someone else tells the public what is and isn't campaign law.

Here are two links..

Now I don't anyone to read any of this as I have, but it gives you some understanding of all the stuff that falls under "Candidate responsibility" There are links that you can click on that opens to other responsibilities of a candidate and they are numerous.


Candidacy Introduction - elections.maryland.gov
https://www.elections.maryland.gov/candidacy/index.html

Campaign Finance - Disclosure of Contributions
https://elections.maryland.gov/campaign_finance/disclosure_of...

OK. We will see. Maybe.

 

[skinsdad62]

Now anyone looking at my recent comments can come out and say mueller is trustworthy is just hiding from the truth .

Those are from testimony not kind of website .

You destroy evidence in an investigTion and say you are trustworthy ?

 

[Stymietee]

OK. We will see. Maybe.

J_Y19, I believe you to be a reasonable person and this is one of the better responses in the thread. Well done sir,!

 

[ehb5]

Yes I believe the economy will collapse when the libs get total control. We will end up in the situation others have been in like what is happening in France right now. Socialism doesn’t work, nothing is free, getting rid of natural resources is just plain dumb and isn’t happening. That’s what they’ll try and it’ll ruing the economy, and teriost will have the right of way in to the country.

So why do so many economists support Democratic policies?

 

[j_y19]

So why do so many economists support Democratic policies?

Is there a study on Economists political leanings that I am not aware of?