politics thread

[Stymietee]

Well...we know taking from one who has earned it, to give to those who have not leads to catastrophe.

Same argument that was made before there were policies in place that created a middle class in this country. If you're one of the middle class, you're arguing against yourself. Good-luck with that! In fact, Henry Ford, (yeah that one) decided to essentially take monies from himself in order to make it possible for his employees to afford his automobiles and retain their employment.

Now this argument won't hold up today because wages are such as they are, however, there's zero argument against what he actually did___ (to quote you) "we know taking from one who has earned it, to give to those who have not leads to catastrophe." Redistributing tax dollars in a system where everyone pays their fair share, is not taking from one to give to another, therefore catastrophe averted.

BTW: The Tax cut, beginning this year is exactly what you're railing against.

1. If you have children and have previously claimed them as a deduction, that's no longer the case. New home buyers will no longer be able to deduct interest paid on the first $750, 000 of that loan.

2. Interest on home equity lines of credit can no longer be deducted, current mortgage holder's are not affected.

3. The Act repeals the Obamacare tax on those without health insurance in 2019. Without the mandate, the CBO 13 million people would drop their plans. The government would save $338 billion by not having to pay their subsidies. But, healthcare costs would rise because fewer people would get the preventive care needed to avoid expensive emergency room visits. This is important to you, Health insurance companies will lose money as healthier people would drop coverage, leaving insurance firms with a higher proportion of sick enrollees.

4. The Act doubles the estate tax exemption to $11.2 million for singles and $22.4 million for couples. That helps the top 1 percent of the population who pay it. These top 4,918 tax returns contribute $17 billion in taxes. The exemption reverts to pre-Act levels in 2026.

5. It keeps the Alternative Minimum tax but, increases the exemption from $54,300 to $70,300 for singles and from $84,500 to $109,400 for joint. The exemptions phase out at $500,000 for singles and $1 million for joint. The exemption reverts to pre-Act levels in 2026.

6. The Act lowers the maximum corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, the lowest since 1939. The United States has one of the highest rates in the world. But most corporations don't pay the top rate. On average, the effective rate is 18 percent. Large corporations have tax attorneys who help them avoid paying more.

The Act cuts "Sin taxes" on beer, wine and liquors. The Brookings Institute estimates that will lead to 1,550 more alcohol-related deaths each year. The study found that lower alcohol prices are directly correlated to more purchases and a higher death toll.

I could go on and on with this stuff, but the bottom line is: WHO pays for all of this and at what human/social costs? I know that you already know the answer to this question, however for others who do not...GET A MIRROR!!

 

[Stymietee]

MIRROR

Socialism, communism, and collectivism are all the same basic thing. Do you actually believe the community has control over the military?

The idea that taking from one and giving to another is engrained in socialism. The idea that the community has control over anything, when some members have contributed nothing, is the very idea of socialism as we are speaking. In terms of welfare, we are talking monetary control...that is why socialism gets credit for welfare.

1. Socialism, communism, and collectivism are all the same basic thing.

If used as a basic socio-economic operating system nationwide, then yeah, but that's NOT what we're talking about and you know it. Stay focused, t5he subjects are Police, Fire and our military, not the entire country. I really don't want to hear about your unwarranted fear.


2.Do you actually believe the community has control over the military?

Absolutely! and so do you! We have elections in this country from which we choose representatives to reflect our collective wishes. The commanders of the military answer to these folks and in effect us. How do you not know this?

3. The idea that the community has control over anything, when some members have contributed nothing, is the very idea of socialism as we are speaking.

People vote, whether or not they participate in the country's business beyond that is at question here. After all, at the end of the day, All things political are local. If you feel powerless, stand up, dust yourself off, and run for office yourself. I don't really care, just as long as you or anyone else refuse the option of complaining about things and doing nothing. Who knows, maybe you or someone else will have the answers to homelessness, including that among our veterans and as you put it having, "members [who] have contributed nothing."

4. In terms of welfare, we are talking monetary control...that is why socialism gets credit for welfare.

...And yet you refuse to acknowledge the far more damaging and destructive nature of corporate welfare. Go figure!

 

[Stymietee]

Today we learned that the FBI (under former Attorney General Holder) leaked information to the press using the “anonymous source” ruse, then turned around and used the media articles to convince judges to issue surveillance warrants.



That's a crime.

And remember back in the RG3 days when I said you should question anonymous sources ? Exhibit A as to why

Link??

 

[Stymietee]

Fresh off his victory in the Florida Republican gubernatorial primary, Rep. Ron DeSantis says voters would "monkey this up" if they elected his African-American opponent, Andrew Gillum, to be governor because of his "socialist agenda. This is what CNN reported .

Actual quote: "Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases bankrupting the state. That is not going to work." This is why people hate CNN,

In full context: Keep in mind he's talking about his opponent!



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There's plenty of this in his comments, beyond the "monkey" line.

 

[Stymietee]

Absolutely. Is taxation of an individual welfare? No...it is taxation.

Taxation in any form is a form of Socialism. How is it possible that YOU, of all people posting, don't get this?

To borrow a quote from the movie "Blazin' Saddles:"

"you yanking my lariat?"

 

[Stymietee]

Huh? Neva mind

 

[skinsdad62]

In full context: Keep in mind he's talking about his opponent!



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Florida's GOP Gubernatorial Nominee DeSantis Says Don't 'Monkey' Things Up
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There's plenty of this in his comments, beyond the "monkey" line.

oh please , he was talking about his policy . no where in there did he refer to any atribute of the candidtate

 

[skinsdad62]

Actual quote: "Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases bankrupting the state. That is not going to work." This is why people hate CNN,

is saying he is a socialist racist ? how about saying huge tax increases bankrupting the state ? thats a damn dog whislte ? oh wait thats not going to work , that has to be it its coded racism right BULL SHIT

now people use monkeying around all the time to include obama his quote as follows while he was senator of IL

" i come from chicago , its not as if republicans have monkeyed around with elections in the past. democrats have too "

show me anywhere in his statement that monkey around was used in any other way then a verb . it wasnt a noun . you could substitute FUCK , MESS WITH and the meaning is the same to any idiot who understands english . only a race baiting uneducated jack ass would cry racism

every bit of that quote dealt with policy . not the man himself

the only reason this matters is the candidate is supported by billionaire leftist tom steyer and george Soros and their race baiting tactics

 

[skinsdad62]

Katie Pavlich - FLASHBACK: Here's a Long List of Top Democrats Saying "Monkeying Around"

For those who suddenly think saying monkeying around us racist but were silent when these leftist did it

 

[skinsdad62]

You can no longer say... Let’s not throw a Monkey Wrench into it.

Monkey bars.

Monkey on your back.

Monkeying around.

Monkey business.

Monkey See, Monkey Do.

My sweet little Monkey.

Don’t Monkey it up.

Monkey’s Uncle.

More fun than a barrel of Monkey’s.

ALL OFF LIMITS!!!

 

[gkekoa]

In full context: Keep in mind he's talking about his opponent!



01:08 · HD
Florida's GOP Gubernatorial Nominee DeSantis Says Don't 'Monkey' Things Up
1.8K views15 hours ago
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There's plenty of this in his comments, beyond the "monkey" line.

Do you believe his comment had anything to do with race? Do you really believe any politician is that stupid? You are smarter than that.

 

[skinsdad62]

Man Who Led Protests Against Cleveland's Chief Wahoo Jailed On Charges He Stole Money From Native Americans

Another typical liberal tactic . Cry about a logo or name saying it hurts the people ,then you steal from them

 

[gkekoa]

Same argument that was made before there were policies in place that created a middle class in this country. If you're one of the middle class, you're arguing against yourself. Good-luck with that! In fact, Henry Ford, (yeah that one) decided to essentially take monies from himself in order to make it possible for his employees to afford his automobiles and retain their employment.

Now this argument won't hold up today because wages are such as they are, however, there's zero argument against what he actually did___ (to quote you) "we know taking from one who has earned it, to give to those who have not leads to catastrophe." Redistributing tax dollars in a system where everyone pays their fair share, is not taking from one to give to another, therefore catastrophe averted.

BTW: The Tax cut, beginning this year is exactly what you're railing against.

1. If you have children and have previously claimed them as a deduction, that's no longer the case. New home buyers will no longer be able to deduct interest paid on the first $750, 000 of that loan.

2. Interest on home equity lines of credit can no longer be deducted, current mortgage holder's are not affected.

3. The Act repeals the Obamacare tax on those without health insurance in 2019. Without the mandate, the CBO 13 million people would drop their plans. The government would save $338 billion by not having to pay their subsidies. But, healthcare costs would rise because fewer people would get the preventive care needed to avoid expensive emergency room visits. This is important to you, Health insurance companies will lose money as healthier people would drop coverage, leaving insurance firms with a higher proportion of sick enrollees.

4. The Act doubles the estate tax exemption to $11.2 million for singles and $22.4 million for couples. That helps the top 1 percent of the population who pay it. These top 4,918 tax returns contribute $17 billion in taxes. The exemption reverts to pre-Act levels in 2026.

5. It keeps the Alternative Minimum tax but, increases the exemption from $54,300 to $70,300 for singles and from $84,500 to $109,400 for joint. The exemptions phase out at $500,000 for singles and $1 million for joint. The exemption reverts to pre-Act levels in 2026.

6. The Act lowers the maximum corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, the lowest since 1939. The United States has one of the highest rates in the world. But most corporations don't pay the top rate. On average, the effective rate is 18 percent. Large corporations have tax attorneys who help them avoid paying more.

The Act cuts "Sin taxes" on beer, wine and liquors. The Brookings Institute estimates that will lead to 1,550 more alcohol-related deaths each year. The study found that lower alcohol prices are directly correlated to more purchases and a higher death toll.

I could go on and on with this stuff, but the bottom line is: WHO pays for all of this and at what human/social costs? I know that you already know the answer to this question, however for others who do not...GET A MIRROR!!

The problem comes with your definition of fair. We will never get to the system we should have that is actually fair.

1- Instead they increased the standard deduction and nobody should get any interest deductions. I think you have it backwards, though I could be wrong. The maximum deduction is for the first 750k.

2-HELOCs should be non-deductible because there is literally no difference between that and any other line of credit.

3- Really, this part makes zero sense. The government doesn’t have to pay their subsidies and the government should not force you to purchase something. Hospitals should not be required to provide services for people either. My insurance will continue to be what it always was. Obamacare had eight years to lower premiums...how did that work out?

4- The estate tax is pure garbage. It shouldn’t exist at all. A person should be free to give money away to his family...that income was already taxed.

5- Excellent...people keep more of their money.

6- Excellent. We need to be more competitive throughout the world.

7- Sin taxes...government controlling your actions. 1550 more...who cares? Their choice.

 

[gkekoa]

MIRROR


1. Socialism, communism, and collectivism are all the same basic thing.

If used as a basic socio-economic operating system nationwide, then yeah, but that's NOT what we're talking about and you know it. Stay focused, t5he subjects are Police, Fire and our military, not the entire country. I really don't want to hear about your unwarranted fear.


2.Do you actually believe the community has control over the military?

Absolutely! and so do you! We have elections in this country from which we choose representatives to reflect our collective wishes. The commanders of the military answer to these folks and in effect us. How do you not know this?

3. The idea that the community has control over anything, when some members have contributed nothing, is the very idea of socialism as we are speaking.

People vote, whether or not they participate in the country's business beyond that is at question here. After all, at the end of the day, All things political are local. If you feel powerless, stand up, dust yourself off, and run for office yourself. I don't really care, just as long as you or anyone else refuse the option of complaining about things and doing nothing. Who knows, maybe you or someone else will have the answers to homelessness, including that among our veterans and as you put it having, "members [who] have contributed nothing."

4. In terms of welfare, we are talking monetary control...that is why socialism gets credit for welfare.

...And yet you refuse to acknowledge the far more damaging and destructive nature of corporate welfare. Go figure!

1- I understand what you are referring to regarding the military, police, and fire departments. You fail to understand, or accept, the rich and middle classes would be willing to pay for those, as we already do, because they help protect what is already ours.

2- Then we are in total disagreement.

3- There are certain things that you cannot vote for according to our founding documents...among these are life, liberty, and property.

4- No...I refuse to call something welfare, when it is clearly not.

 

[gkekoa]

Taxation in any form is a form of Socialism. How is it possible that YOU, of all people posting, don't get this?

To borrow a quote from the movie "Blazin' Saddles:"

"you yanking my lariat?"

Actually, I agree with this denotation; however, the connotation of the word doesn’t.

 

[Stymietee]

Do you believe his comment had anything to do with race? Do you really believe any politician is that stupid? You are smarter than that.

Yes...yes I do believe that politicians are THAT stupid. There's nothing exceptional about them that excludes them from being that. In fact we now have a president that gives new meaning to the word. He is literally uniquely imbecilic within that classification.

BTW: It's not hate if it's true! (and it is true)

 

[Stymietee]

The problem comes with your definition of fair. We will never get to the system we should have that is actually fair.

1- Instead they increased the standard deduction and nobody should get any interest deductions. I think you have it backwards, though I could be wrong. The maximum deduction is for the first 750k.

2-HELOCs should be non-deductible because there is literally no difference between that and any other line of credit.

3- Really, this part makes zero sense. The government doesn’t have to pay their subsidies and the government should not force you to purchase something. Hospitals should not be required to provide services for people either. My insurance will continue to be what it always was. Obamacare had eight years to lower premiums...how did that work out?

4- The estate tax is pure garbage. It shouldn’t exist at all. A person should be free to give money away to his family...that income was already taxed.

5- Excellent...people keep more of their money.

6- Excellent. We need to be more competitive throughout the world.

7- Sin taxes...government controlling your actions. 1550 more...who cares? Their choice.

1- I understand what you are referring to regarding the military, police, and fire departments. You fail to understand, or accept, the rich and middle classes would be willing to pay for those, as we already do, because they help protect what is already ours.

2- Then we are in total disagreement.

3- There are certain things that you cannot vote for according to our founding documents...among these are life, liberty, and property.

4- No...I refuse to call something welfare, when it is clearly not.

Let me add this because I tire of this circular humorless banter. The country is changing, fight against it as much as you will, but whether you like it or not, that change is already in motion. You can either get with the program or die after a miserable life of gnashing your teeth, while yearning for the "good ole' days." It's your call!

 

[skinsdad62]

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More monkey business

 

[gkekoa]

Yes...yes I do believe that politicians are THAT stupid. There's nothing exceptional about them that excludes them from being that. In fact we now have a president that gives new meaning to the word. He is literally uniquely imbecilic within that classification.

BTW: It's not hate if it's true! (and it is true)

So...do you believe the monkey it up comment had anything to do with race?

Yep...white peolple are the devil, but when Lebron comes out and says he felt weird being around white people at first...5hat is on him.

 

[gkekoa]

Let me add this because I tire of this circular humorless banter. The country is changing, fight against it as much as you will, but whether you like it or not, that change is already in motion. You can either get with the program or die after a miserable life of gnashing your teeth, while yearning for the "good ole' days." It's your call!

It is circular because you won’t answer questions honestly.

Yes...the country is changing. I have a great life, thank you.

BTW...it is just the way it is, is not an argument.