politics thread

[Sharkinva]

I mean your word choice is poor but how is that unreasonable?

I'm not going to move to Italy and expect everyone to understand English

I'm also going to move to Philly from NY and keep ordering taylor ham egg and cheeses on kaiser rolls instead of "pork roll"

Language is one thing. But say you moved to Turkey for some reasons, would you be offended if they expected you to start going to Jumah and your wife wear a Burka?? More to the point, would you be offended if you were ostracized for being a white christian male?

And if you did move to Italy, Im pretty sure that even if you didnt speak a lick of Italian, you would not automatically be painted in a negative light mainly because of your skin tone.

 

[skinsdad62]

You are right. Now instead of being hell bent on keeping out Southern and eastern Europeans, now the focus is on South/central America and African/Middle Easterners.

The infestation Trump has refereed to is People. And while he tries to paint it as just MS-13.. sorry but I see a deeper hate in there.

As for those jobs they are taking, by and large they are taking jobs Americans wont do more often than not, for alot less than Americans would do those jobs for. I have shown you the numbers. And there is no logical way that 3% of the country is causing 50% or more of the strife in this country. You can sight jobs, social services and such. The reality is, the concept of diversity in our population scares the bejesus out of some folks, and Trump feeds on that like a tick on a dog.

americans wont do them for under the market wages . diversity of the population doesnt scare me one bit

sorry but i want borders enforced and illegals out period . i have shown numbers of the cost . it isnt worth it i am sorry the middle east is full of strife and you cant trust what you are getting from there much like central america because of the cartels . but my country gives those countries billions of dollars to help thier people yet their corruption is the cause of the evil .

corruption mind you from the winners of the civil wars americans didnt want to be in power . now they are and look what you have . a bunch of socialist , totalitarian govt's making the people suffer and now its my job to fix it ?

fix the laws by passing laws that address issues / guest workers programs are a solution proper vetting . and hold the damn parents accountable for letting their children be human trafficked . i dont see why i have to pay on the front end , then turn around and pay on the back end

i dont see why i have to put up with the crime of ms 13 just to appease the other part so i can pay 150 million to keep them here

i have a hard time buying racists would pardon jack johnson (something obama didnt ) , miss johnson , (something again obama didnt do ) or dinesh desouza (an indian that obama prosecuted for making documentaries unfavorable to him ) on a crime rosey o donnell did without prosecution . i find it hard that trump would pay off a black womans home when her husband died while obama was getting his picture taken with louis farrakhan

yeah he called mexican coyotes rapist and murderers and worse for human trafficking illegals to the US .

 

[Sharkinva]

sorry but i want borders enforced and illegals out period . i have shown numbers of the cost . it isnt worth it i am sorry the middle east is full of strife and you cant trust what you are getting from there much like central america because of the cartels . but my country gives those countries billions of dollars to help thier people yet their corruption is the cause of the evil .

We are not and have never given other countries money out of the goodness of our hearts. Nor do we commit to NATO out of the goodness of our hearts. Its all about influence. And maintaining influence around the world. Now for most of our life time that has been done diplomatically. Now we have a leader that figures he can just bully everyone into doing what HE wants. And yes we have the military might to do it. Question is, should we.

i have a hard time buying racists would pardon jack johnson (something obama didnt ) , miss johnson , (something again obama didnt do ) or dinesh desouza (an indian that obama prosecuted for making documentaries unfavorable to him ) on a crime rosey o donnell did without prosecution . i find it hard that trump would pay off a black womans home when her husband died while obama was getting his picture taken with louis farrakhan

yeah he called mexican coyotes rapist and murderers and worse for human trafficking illegals to the US .

All Trumps pardons are a political stunt if you ask me. He has used the pardon as his latest toy. And at least three of the people he pardoned were directly to thumb his nose at Obama. And make no mistake... he thinks MOST Mexicans (because he does not distinguish, they are all Mexican to him) Are Rapists, Drug Dealers and Animals... well and a few good people.

 

[skinsdad62]

Trump pardons Oregon cattle ranchers in case that sparked 41-day occupation of national wildlife refuge

Another abuse of the federal Govt corrected

 

[skinsdad62]

We are not and have never given other countries money out of the goodness of our hearts. Nor do we commit to NATO out of the goodness of our hearts. Its all about influence. And maintaining influence around the world. Now for most of our life time that has been done diplomatically. Now we have a leader that figures he can just bully everyone into doing what HE wants. And yes we have the military might to do it. Question is, should we.





All Trumps pardons are a political stunt if you ask me. He has used the pardon as his latest toy. And at least three of the people he pardoned were directly to thumb his nose at Obama. And make no mistake... he thinks MOST Mexicans (because he does not distinguish, they are all Mexican to him) Are Rapists, Drug Dealers and Animals... well and a few good people.

That is where your trump hate comes in . Fact is we give these countries humanitarian aid on the front end and then have to pay on the backend . Plenty of charities do the same .

 

[Sharkinva]

Trump pardons Oregon cattle ranchers in case that sparked 41-day occupation of national wildlife refuge

Another abuse of the federal Govt corrected

If only he was as quick to correct the mistake of Zero Tolerance.

 

[skinsdad62]

If only he was as quick to correct the mistake of Zero Tolerance.

Zero tolerance is a great policy In compliance with our laws

 

[Sharkinva]

That is where your trump hate comes in . Fact is we give these countries humanitarian aid on the front end and then have to pay on the backend . Plenty of charities do the same .

If you are giving money, and expect to have influence on how they run their country.. is it really charity. And this is where your trump brain washing is showing, as I didnt mention him when it comes to money we give, because we have been exerting influence for YEARS in this way.

 

[Sharkinva]

Zero tolerance is a great policy In compliance with our laws

Sure.. if you think taking kids to try and force people to not come here is a good policy.

 

[ehb5]

thier own words in the IG report isnt convincing enough? looking at dates in black and white arent convincing enough ? . that is freaking written down

are you saying the blackberries werent smashed ? are you saying HRC didnt bleach bit her hard drive? those are all right there in black and white

you arent even concerned that those things were done ? you actually think that was on the up and up ? you think lynch and clinton were talking about grandchildren ? really you are that lost ?

people with nothing to hide act like this ? really ?

and obama put 2 spies in an opposition campaign without probable cause and you are ok with that . if he thought Trumps campaign was infiltrated , why not pick up a phone and explain your concerns ?

wasnt HRC's campaign the one that was infiltrated ? why no spies there ?

again i know you didnt read the IG report because your statements betray your ignorance of what is in it . i bet at best you read the 1st paragraph or you listened to liberal central and havent even looked at it

it doesnt concern you about all the stonewalling of records ? how so called classified information turned out to be covering up embarrassing things the FBI did ?

it doesnt concern you that comey was doing the same thing HRC was doing with classified materials yet he gave her a pass?

sorry but the lame ,"talking points " refrain is just intelectually lazy at best . more then likely its just Trump hate or lack of research

My responses in bold

thier own words in the IG report isnt convincing enough? looking at dates in black and white arent convincing enough ? . that is freaking written down

What is it you think the IG report says? Because it doesnt say what you seem to be claiming it does.

are you saying the blackberries werent smashed ? are you saying HRC didnt bleach bit her hard drive? those are all right there in black and white

No. I never once said that. I can only think that you are saying that in an attempt to deflect from the rest of this discussion and answering my original question.

you arent even concerned that those things were done ? you actually think that was on the up and up ? you think lynch and clinton were talking about grandchildren ? really you are that lost ?

Who said that? Where are you getting any of this?

people with nothing to hide act like this ? really ?

Huh? Also wouldnt the same apply to Trump?

and obama put 2 spies in an opposition campaign without probable cause and you are ok with that . if he thought Trumps campaign was infiltrated , why not pick up a phone and explain your concerns ?

No he didnt. Pick up a phone? What?

wasnt HRC's campaign the one that was infiltrated ? why no spies there ?

Because they didnt have reason to believe she was colluding with Russia.

again i know you didnt read the IG report because your statements betray your ignorance of what is in it . i bet at best you read the 1st paragraph or you listened to liberal central and havent even looked at it

I did read it. And I actually understand what it says. I am not twisting it into a piece of propaganda in order to fit my political views like you are.

Also...wtf is liberal central?

For 1...if I were a liberal that doesnt discredit my opinions or mean I didnt read the IG report or dont know what it says.

For 2...Im a freakin conservative dude. I just choose to put my country over any political party and call out BS when it deserves to be called out. 90% of this country however has chosen to be like you and sink into partisanship, name calling, and attacking the other side as the enemy. Its sad.

it doesnt concern you about all the stonewalling of records ? how so called classified information turned out to be covering up embarrassing things the FBI did ?

Elaborate

it doesnt concern you that comey was doing the same thing HRC was doing with classified materials yet he gave her a pass?

What?

sorry but the lame ,"talking points " refrain is just intelectually lazy at best . more then likely its just Trump hate or lack of research

Ive been pretty clear on where my dislike for Trump comes from. Hes a terrible person, who has implemented bad policies, and he seems to have no idea what he's talking about a large part of the time. He seems to have a lack of understanding about basic facts and policy, lies nonstop, and appears to look up to dictators. Why would I LIKE somebody like that?

 

[skinsdad62]

If you are giving money, and expect to have influence on how they run their country.. is it really charity. And this is where your trump brain washing is showing, as I didnt mention him when it comes to money we give, because we have been exerting influence for YEARS in this way.

Every president has given money to help these countries do now its bad ?

 

[ehb5]

Double standard in who supports who.

Obama, who at this point I think its fair to admit was a really really bad president got a higher % of the black vote then he got the democratic vote.

Let that sink in. A higher % of the black vote then % of registered democrats voted Obama (not by #s but %)

So if you want to attack the president for the way people voted you have to at least be fair. So small population of rednecks and white supremacists voted for Trump because of racial motivations. Well 93% of the black vote (2nd term despite how awful he was from the start) voted Obama..... thats got to be at least partially racially motivated no?

Obama could have ran on an utterly insane and reckless platform and he would have still had 93% of the black vote. Why is that okay? Why is that an untouchable topic?

Well thats a decent assumption for one but even if it were true I thin your smart enough to tell the difference between voting for a black president because of the chance to see the first black president and hoping that he can help black people and voting for the white dude who says a lot of offensive shit because you hate minorities.

Also weird that your assuming NOTHING would have made allllll those people not vote for Obama. It was 100% race and nothing else apparently.

Then again according to you the racial problems in this country didnt start until Obama.

 

[skinsdad62]

My responses in bold

thier own words in the IG report isnt convincing enough? looking at dates in black and white arent convincing enough ? . that is freaking written down

What is it you think the IG report says? Because it doesnt say what you seem to be claiming it does.

are you saying the blackberries werent smashed ? are you saying HRC didnt bleach bit her hard drive? those are all right there in black and white

No. I never once said that. I can only think that you are saying that in an attempt to deflect from the rest of this discussion and answering my original question.

you arent even concerned that those things were done ? you actually think that was on the up and up ? you think lynch and clinton were talking about grandchildren ? really you are that lost ?

Who said that? Where are you getting any of this?

people with nothing to hide act like this ? really ?

Huh? Also wouldnt the same apply to Trump?

and obama put 2 spies in an opposition campaign without probable cause and you are ok with that . if he thought Trumps campaign was infiltrated , why not pick up a phone and explain your concerns ?

No he didnt. Pick up a phone? What?

wasnt HRC's campaign the one that was infiltrated ? why no spies there ?

Because they didnt have reason to believe she was colluding with Russia.

again i know you didnt read the IG report because your statements betray your ignorance of what is in it . i bet at best you read the 1st paragraph or you listened to liberal central and havent even looked at it

I did read it. And I actually understand what it says. I am not twisting it into a piece of propaganda in order to fit my political views like you are.

Also...wtf is liberal central?

For 1...if I were a liberal that doesnt discredit my opinions or mean I didnt read the IG report or dont know what it says.

For 2...Im a freakin conservative dude. I just choose to put my country over any political party and call out BS when it deserves to be called out. 90% of this country however has chosen to be like you and sink into partisanship, name calling, and attacking the other side as the enemy. Its sad.

it doesnt concern you about all the stonewalling of records ? how so called classified information turned out to be covering up embarrassing things the FBI did ?

Elaborate

it doesnt concern you that comey was doing the same thing HRC was doing with classified materials yet he gave her a pass?

What?

sorry but the lame ,"talking points " refrain is just intelectually lazy at best . more then likely its just Trump hate or lack of research

Ive been pretty clear on where my dislike for Trump comes from. Hes a terrible person, who has implemented bad policies, and he seems to have no idea what he's talking about a large part of the time. He seems to have a lack of understanding about basic facts and policy, lies nonstop, and appears to look up to dictators. Why would I LIKE somebody like that?

I do think you are anywhere near conservative with the positions you are taking and the people you are defending , read the report , do the research is all I can tell you . Selling uranium to Russia for kickbacks is pretty questionable . There was never any viable evidence to support any investigation of Trump for collusion

 

[skinsdad62]

My responses in bold

thier own words in the IG report isnt convincing enough? looking at dates in black and white arent convincing enough ? . that is freaking written down

What is it you think the IG report says? Because it doesnt say what you seem to be claiming it does.

are you saying the blackberries werent smashed ? are you saying HRC didnt bleach bit her hard drive? those are all right there in black and white

No. I never once said that. I can only think that you are saying that in an attempt to deflect from the rest of this discussion and answering my original question.

you arent even concerned that those things were done ? you actually think that was on the up and up ? you think lynch and clinton were talking about grandchildren ? really you are that lost ?

Who said that? Where are you getting any of this?

people with nothing to hide act like this ? really ?

Huh? Also wouldnt the same apply to Trump?

and obama put 2 spies in an opposition campaign without probable cause and you are ok with that . if he thought Trumps campaign was infiltrated , why not pick up a phone and explain your concerns ?

No he didnt. Pick up a phone? What?

wasnt HRC's campaign the one that was infiltrated ? why no spies there ?

Because they didnt have reason to believe she was colluding with Russia.

again i know you didnt read the IG report because your statements betray your ignorance of what is in it . i bet at best you read the 1st paragraph or you listened to liberal central and havent even looked at it

I did read it. And I actually understand what it says. I am not twisting it into a piece of propaganda in order to fit my political views like you are.

Also...wtf is liberal central?

For 1...if I were a liberal that doesnt discredit my opinions or mean I didnt read the IG report or dont know what it says.

For 2...Im a freakin conservative dude. I just choose to put my country over any political party and call out BS when it deserves to be called out. 90% of this country however has chosen to be like you and sink into partisanship, name calling, and attacking the other side as the enemy. Its sad.

it doesnt concern you about all the stonewalling of records ? how so called classified information turned out to be covering up embarrassing things the FBI did ?

Elaborate

it doesnt concern you that comey was doing the same thing HRC was doing with classified materials yet he gave her a pass?

What?

sorry but the lame ,"talking points " refrain is just intelectually lazy at best . more then likely its just Trump hate or lack of research

Ive been pretty clear on where my dislike for Trump comes from. Hes a terrible person, who has implemented bad policies, and he seems to have no idea what he's talking about a large part of the time. He seems to have a lack of understanding about basic facts and policy, lies nonstop, and appears to look up to dictators. Why would I LIKE somebody like that?

What question am I not answering ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Lisa Page ignores congressional subpoena, once again showing the double standard. One set of rules for regular Americans, a different set for the Swamp!

 

[ehb5]

condoleezza rice.... if she had 93% of the black vote despite how awful her platform may or may not have been she would have been on the ticket.

ben carson who we would be better off with today as our president then both trump or hrc same thing.

racially motivated no matter how you spin it. 93% of the black vote, voted for a terrible president 2nd term. I would guess that 50% of that number voted for him solely based on the platform running while black. While most rednecks voted for Trump based solely on the platform of perceived racism contrived by MSM.

In regards to health insurance hes trying to fix O's mess, which was a horrible patchwork and expensive reform.

I signed up for ACA because it was a little cheaper then what my old employer provided and I am generally healthy. I still paid $300 a month. I also fibbed about earnings reporting 10-15k less then what I actually made to potentially lower my monthly premiums despite the $6,000 minimum deductible.

Received an email a couple months in asking for more verification, probably earnings, and like everything ACA related I just sent it to my spam or trash... 2 months later I realize I havent paid a health insurance bill in awhile and I call. My insurance was cancelled because I didnt respond to said email after 30 days.

Meanwhile people with illness and subsidized $20 monthly premiums get 90 days forgiveness.

Now isnt that ass backwards? Never saw a doctor, paid $300 a month to essentially fund the program and I have a smaller window of forgiveness. That is just my personal experience with the clusterfuck regarding ACA. Oh and I was threatened to be fined $500 for not enrolling in insurance when I filed my taxes. Thankfully there was a loophole where since I paid 3 months of ACA I didnt qualify for that fine, or better put it was hidden.

Where the hell are you getting that 50% voted for him solely off race?? Hillary got 88% of the black vote. I know this sounds crazy but...maybe blacks just prefer to vote democrat.

 

[ehb5]

almost voted for Obama first term in PA nonetheless... wrote in Ron Paul instead

was dumb and in college and didnt know any better. Thought he represented a change and the DC cronyism could come to an end....

boy did I dodge a bullet. He spent the next 4 years campaigning and the last 4 years was an utter mess.

Obamas push so far left and undermining/patronizing right winged voters is honestly why I believe Trump is in office.

How did you dodge a bullet? He still won.

 

[ehb5]

Trump should be on Mt. Rushmore at the end of his term. He is making America great. What did Obama do that was good?

Can you explain what Trump is doing that is so great and why it is making America great, in detail?

 

[ehb5]

Sometimes whats not said has a much more profound effect than what is said....

Obama stoked the racial flames for 8 years creating a divide.

I do not feel that Obama ever had my best interests in mind as a white christian male. I felt that he worked for a demographic as opposed to a nation.

Though not racial Obama did wage war on cops.

Show me 2 instances of Trump trying to paint the majority of an ethnic group as the enemy.

Dont go into Islam, I've expressed how I feel on that front. The majority of that major religion is consumed by radicalism, not just militant, that conflicts directly with western ideals.

Ok so even if hypothetically gave you that...

do you think Trump is doing the same thing just from the other side?

 

[skinsdad62]

The left is fond of promoting the conspiracy theory that President Donald Trump is a puppet of Russia’s leader Vladimir Putin.

But unlike Trump’s predecessor, former president Barack Obama, whose moves always seemed to be helpful or beneficial to Russia, Trump’s actions have not.

He’s sent weapons to Ukraine to protect against Russia, dropped bombs on Russia’s ally Syria (when Obama wouldn’t) in order to stop them from using chemical weapons and supported American pipelines and coal (which had been stopped and/or impaired by Obama), impairing Russia’s control of oil.


His NATO meeting was another example of this.

From Biz Pac Review:

PRESIDENT TRUMP SMACKED DOWN DEADBEAT NATO MEMBERS FOR DEMANDING U.S. PROTECTION AGAINST RUSSIA WHILE THEY CONTINUE TO BANKROLL THEIR PURPORTED ENEMY BY POURING BILLIONS INTO RUSSIA’S POCKETS THROUGH LUCRATIVE OIL AND GAS DEALS.

“WE’RE PROTECTING GERMANY, WE’RE PROTECTING FRANCE,” TRUMP TOLD NATO SECRETARY GENERAL JENS STOLTENBERG AT A HEATED BREAKFAST MEETING. “WE’RE PROTECTING ALL THESE COUNTRIES…AND THEN THESE COUNTRIES GO OUT AND MAKE A PIPELINE DEAL WITH RUSSIA WHERE THEY’RE PAYING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE COFFERS OF RUSSIA. SO WE’RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT YOU AGAINST RUSSIA, BUT YOU’RE PAYING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RUSSIA. I THINK THAT’S VERY INAPPROPRIATE.”

Great point. It doesn’t make a lot of sense.

If Russia were to impede Germany’s oil suddenly, it would put them in a precarious position.

And then you’re tempting the neighbors to be weak and do the same and draw closer to Russia.

All the while complaining to the U.S. and saying give us more money to protect against Russia which is the “greatest threat” to the alliance.

“GERMANY IS TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA,” TRUMP SAID, REFERRING TO NORD STREAM 2, GERMANY’S PROPOSED $12 BILLION GAS PIPELINE DEAL WITH RUSSIA. “I THINK IT’S VERY SAD WHEN GERMANY MAKES A MASSIVE OIL AND GAS DEAL WITH RUSSIA.”

TRUMP CONTINUED: “WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE GUARDING AGAINST RUSSIA, BUT GERMANY GOES OUT AND PAYS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO RUSSIA.”

NATO SECRETARY GENERAL JENS STOLTENBERG MEEKLY COUNTERED THAT NATO IS STRONGER WHEN ALL ITS MEMBERS STAND TOGETHER, BUT TRUMP DIDN’T BUY HIS EMPTY PLEAS.

“NATO IS THE ALLIANCE OF 29 NATIONS, AND THERE’S SOME DISAGREEMENTS,” STOLTENBERG SAID. “GAS FROM RUSSIA TO GERMANY IS WHERE THE ALLIES DISAGREE. DESPITE THE DIFFERENCES, WE’VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND EACH OTHER. WE’RE STRONGER TOGETHER THAN APART.”

But you’re not standing together if you’re buying from everyone’s proclaimed enemy, as Trump properly noted.

TRUMP CLAPPED BACK: “HOW CAN YOU ‘BE TOGETHER’ WHEN A COUNTRY IS GETTING ITS ENERGY FROM THE PERSON YOU WANT PROTECTION AGAINST? YOU’RE JUST MAKING RUSSIA RICHER.”

TRUMP ADDED: “[THE UNITED STATES] IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT GERMANY, BUT THEY’RE GETTING THEIR ENERGY FROM RUSSIA. EXPLAIN THAT. IT CAN’T BE EXPLAINED.”



And Sen. Tom Cotton explained further:

Doesn’t sound much like a Russian puppet, does he?

And while prior presidents have complained about NATO not paying their fair share, they didn’t press the issue, Trump reiterated his position that the other NATO nations have to start paying their fair share of the bill. He said. “I have to bring it up because it’s unfair to our country and our taxpayers. I think these countries have to step it up, not over a 10-year period, but immediately.”

The other countries are only supposed to pay 2% of their GDP and even countries like Estonia are being compliant but others, like Germany, are not.

The U.S. paid $650 billion, or 73% of the NATO defense budget in 2015.

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