LogicMan
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David_Son. I think your comment on Melo is spot on. I admired the 70's Knicks. We need them back as a force in the NBA. Perhaps they do as you suggest. It seems a good path.
Trojan. As David_Son wisely states, sign and trade is the most likely set of actions ahead. Rarely will assets get to FA, especially under new CBA rules. Trade exceptions become a huge asset as well.
LA took a chance most teams wont, trading away assets without securing the long contract. LA believed their distinct advantage was ability to offer a max contract to Dwight.
You stated your analogy of Farmar and Love, not I. Your premise is that Love will get to FA, and, once in FA he will go to LA. THats a probability, but know that other teams will have the money, they will have assets to pull off a sign and trade, and they probably will then have the advantage of a max contract.
I believe you want LA to use the 14/15 period to spend. But I am not aware of any rebuilds that are built on relying on the FA process as the primary means. Never seen it. Even Miami deal required many many picks to be given up.
Trojan. Call it an analogy, call it a plan, the resulting outcome you argued that could take place was Love and Farmar.
Stay on point. Is that the talent that will rebuild LA?
You constantly refer to the Celtics bad period, but do you know how it got bad? Read up on it. It might just feel like home to you right now.
So lets agree to disagree. Your a great fan, I know this.
We will see as this and next year evolve, which plan works better.
Sound good?
You continue to defend the logic that having cap space freed will be the answer. Its a one dimensional plan. No team has rebuilt this way. ever.
But I recognize you are banking on that dimension. This, freeing up of cap space is the great LA plan.
The Celtics were in a great position when Pitino arrived. The demise was trading away picks, assets and getting nothing great back. Then he tried to return to glory use stupid free agent signings as his great plan. He felt the pressure to win now. No real plan at all. No alignment with management. They were fools
FIRST, let me remind you that the whole logic behind the trade was that they traded Bynum whom was in the last year in his contract as well. Kupchak had an extension ready for Bynum and he turned it down. They wanted that extension with Bynum but when that fell apart they went back to the Howard plan. If you're going to get atleast 1 year, you want it out of Howard and not what was left of Bynum. SECOND, if all he wanted was Dantoni out, then I would have booted him for a new, younger coach if we could find a good replacement. I've come to the realization that Phil is done physically. He still has the ability but he has so many physical injuries/age working against him . NOW, if the reports are true that he wanted Kobe amnestied, then he's a fool if he EVER thought that was a possibility. I understand that it makes sense...but Jim Buss has way too many PR blunders already. I found myself in the VAST minority of wanting to keep Howard. I'd say about 80% of Laker fans wanted him out for whatever reasons they thought, reasons which I never really agreed with. Knowing this, if Buss had kept him AND amnestied Kobe, people would of been at Staples with pitchforks.The Lakers planned nothing. Be real. The Lakers traded away the assets to get Howard, and then capitulated on giving what he wanted to stay. If you recall, I applauded Lakers acquisition of Howard, but then they bumbled around w/o a plan for him, while he played injured, and then, after he did not get his requests, tore him up in the press. They could have amnestied Kobe, and used the cash to build around dwight, bringing in Phil to run the rebuild. They banked on the max contract, despite Dwight's unhappiness. When it failed, they tryed to reduce his capabilities in a press campaign. Thats not a plan. Thats giving away the house for nothing.
That's because the idea of teaming up with other top level superstars was completely foreign until 2010. Trust me, if Jordan, Reggie Miller, etc. had the AAU mindset of players these days....a dynasty WOULD have been built like that in the 90's....but as we all know, in the 90's(and before), loyalty to their teams was everything, and they wanted to destroy each other, rather than team up. JEEZ I miss thatYou continue to defend the logic that having cap space freed will be the answer. Its a one dimensional plan. No team has rebuilt this way. ever.
I agree, but might I suggest that you closely watch college b-ball this season. Got some STUDS coming out next year. It's why I want Kobe to take his time coming back, and it's why I think it's best for us to get into the lottery rather than getting a lower seed in the playoffs.Also, the Lakers will have draft picks, beginning this upcoming draft, I believe. I just have more faith in FA's than the draft.
FIRST, let me remind you that the whole logic behind the trade was that they traded Bynum whom was in the last year in his contract as well. Kupchak had an extension ready for Bynum and he turned it down. They wanted that extension with Bynum but when that fell apart they went back to the Howard plan. If you're going to get atleast 1 year, you want it out of Howard and not what was left of Bynum. SECOND, if all he wanted was Dantoni out, then I would have booted him for a new, younger coach if we could find a good replacement. I've come to the realization that Phil is done physically. He still has the ability but he has so many physical injuries/age working against him . NOW, if the reports are true that he wanted Kobe amnestied, then he's a fool if he EVER thought that was a possibility. I understand that it makes sense...but Jim Buss has way too many PR blunders already. I found myself in the VAST minority of wanting to keep Howard. I'd say about 80% of Laker fans wanted him out for whatever reasons they thought, reasons which I never really agreed with. Knowing this, if Buss had kept him AND amnestied Kobe, people would of been at Staples with pitchforks.
I agree, but might I suggest that you closely watch college b-ball this season. Got some STUDS coming out next year. It's why I want Kobe to take his time coming back, and it's why I think it's best for us to get into the lottery rather than getting a lower seed in the playoffs.
Got a strong point that I can't really rebut there. All I can say is, sometimes you strike gold, and sometimes you crap outI agree that there are some studs, but there have been plenty of draft classes with studs who have become busts.
Heck, don't the Lakers have about 3 former lottery picks on this current team who are signed to 1 year deals and playing for their NBA lives?
There are teams that end up in the lottery season after season and never seem to get to the playoffs because of draft picks that didn't pan out.
Got a strong point that I can't really rebut there. All I can say is, sometimes you strike gold, and sometimes you crap out