McLeod restructured contract

[I miss Dawkins]

Banner treated players like stocks and wanted to pay in advance for lesser costs in the future. He was an idiot when it came to understanding players were not commodities and would be happy later on. Paying guys not even half way thru their rookie contracts bonuses and then epecting them NOT to want more money when they outperformed their contract was stupid. We don't have multiple SB rings right now because of BAnner!! we had 4 straight years of being just a game away from the SB, and did so with the WORST set of receivers in the entire league, despite having the most pass happy offense at the time. The 1 year we went out and got a stud WR - we make the SB. Surprise. We forwarded not a few mil, but over 10 mil (nearly 15% of the entire cap at times!) several years INSTEAD of investing that into players that would have put us over the top to actually win a SB. Banner is a great businessman and numbers man, but stupid when it comes to competition and knowing what it takes to win a SB.

You look at NE, and how many times have they had Brady restructure his contract so that they have more money to utilize??? How many times have they passed 10+mil into future years???

Yes, we have wasted some money and overpaid some players. Most teams have. We have been in a transition from going to 3 coaches in a short period of time. Each coach is going to have their own design and plan for the team. Most of it starts with the QB position. Chase was overpaid, but he was a plan B with a very poor plan A that we already had at the time. Instead, we decided we could do even better, and went after Wentz. At the time of the chase deal that was not known and they would have looked like fools if we didn't get Wentz, planned on using Bradford and then he got hurt or just sucked. But all of that is pale in comparison to the money that CHIP KELLY spent while he was here, and the way he gutted this team of it's best players. That takes time to recover. And we have done a damn good job in a very short amount of time.

They will not lose their jobs for spending money poorly - they will lose it if they don't put WINS on the board. The name of the game in the NFL is WIN within an amount of time given to stay. Don't win, and you will get fired. The more you win, the more leeway you get. All teams overspend and make mistakes. And most teams also get some deals on players. FACT is.. we are a better team than we were last year, and we are still under the cap. We are headed in a good direction, and moving past some of the mistakes of CHIP and some of the overpayments. You don't see good directions or any good in the eagles. So no offense... FO!

There is far more reason for true eagle fans to be optimistic right now. And all you do is complain, whine and find something to bash them over. You have admitted you are not a fan anymore, so why continue to hang out here???

 

[I miss Dawkins]

Reasonably up to date and well thought out analysis of the Eagles Cap.....

A close look at the Eagles 2018 salary cap situation

Did you even read the article?? Do you realize just how much money can be freed up in 2018???? You act like we are "SO" strapped, and so many of those players are very likely on their way out.

Peters - 10.25 mil saved (even after only 1 mil dead money)
Kelce - 6 mil saved (after only 1 mil dead money) *and he SUCKS!
Celek - 4 mil saved (after only 1 mil dead money) Trey burton already here and out performing celek
Ron Brooks - 2.1 mil saved * they admit he sucks and won't be here
Kendricks - 4.4 mil saved (even after 3.2 mil dead money) *hard to see him still here then also
Sproles - 4 mil - His contract ends after 2017, and this is simply recouped.

Most of this is not controversial, and the loss of ANY of these players does not make us a worse team. (I would argue sproles, but we just drafted a possible replacement, and can do so again in 2018 draft) YET, these 6 players ALONE save 30.75 mil!!!!!

That is before you get into other players.. like..

T. Smith - 5 mil saved - If either rookie step up, DBG or Agholor impress, it's hard to see losing him hurting us
B. Graham - 6.5 mil saved (after only 1 mil dead money) *and we just drafted DE that is impressing
V. Curry - 5 mil saved (even after big 6mil in dead money) *again DE looking good, and we can go DE again in 2018

I won't even include Jenkins in the discussion. That adds another 16.5 mil, for a total of more than 47mil in cap saved.

So WTH are you talking about in us looking SO BAD for 2018????? Most of these players have ALREADY been drafted and their replacements are already on the team. That is a ton of money to lock Alshon down, bring in some more talent, and do almost anything we want. They even admitted we will likely be looking at RB in a heavy RB pool of 2018. Lane has been paid like a LT way too long, so moving him to LT is not a big deal, and we seem to have potential at RT already on the roster as well.

Id say, we have a lot of resources to fill a lot of holes. So not ONLY is the team performing better, the cap situation is getting better, and we are going to be in a better spot to add even more talent to the team. Only you could read that and come out with such a negative outlook. I won't even use the term negadelphian, because your not an eagles fan.

 

[Premium]

Banner treated players like stocks and wanted to pay in advance for lesser costs in the future. He was an idiot when it came to understanding players were not commodities and would be happy later on. Paying guys not even half way thru their rookie contracts bonuses and then epecting them NOT to want more money when they outperformed their contract was stupid. We don't have multiple SB rings right now because of BAnner!! we had 4 straight years of being just a game away from the SB, and did so with the WORST set of receivers in the entire league, despite having the most pass happy offense at the time. The 1 year we went out and got a stud WR - we make the SB. Surprise. We forwarded not a few mil, but over 10 mil (nearly 15% of the entire cap at times!) several years INSTEAD of investing that into players that would have put us over the top to actually win a SB. Banner is a great businessman and numbers man, but stupid when it comes to competition and knowing what it takes to win a SB.

You look at NE, and how many times have they had Brady restructure his contract so that they have more money to utilize??? How many times have they passed 10+mil into future years???

Yes, we have wasted some money and overpaid some players. Most teams have. We have been in a transition from going to 3 coaches in a short period of time. Each coach is going to have their own design and plan for the team. Most of it starts with the QB position. Chase was overpaid, but he was a plan B with a very poor plan A that we already had at the time. Instead, we decided we could do even better, and went after Wentz. At the time of the chase deal that was not known and they would have looked like fools if we didn't get Wentz, planned on using Bradford and then he got hurt or just sucked. But all of that is pale in comparison to the money that CHIP KELLY spent while he was here, and the way he gutted this team of it's best players. That takes time to recover. And we have done a damn good job in a very short amount of time.

They will not lose their jobs for spending money poorly - they will lose it if they don't put WINS on the board. The name of the game in the NFL is WIN within an amount of time given to stay. Don't win, and you will get fired. The more you win, the more leeway you get. All teams overspend and make mistakes. And most teams also get some deals on players. FACT is.. we are a better team than we were last year, and we are still under the cap. We are headed in a good direction, and moving past some of the mistakes of CHIP and some of the overpayments. You don't see good directions or any good in the eagles. So no offense... FO!

There is far more reason for true eagle fans to be optimistic right now. And all you do is complain, whine and find something to bash them over. You have admitted you are not a fan anymore, so why continue to hang out here???

- Banner had his issues but his record and philosophy was overall successful.
- Your statement on NE is inaccurate. They are in about the best cap position of any team in the league and I don't know if they have ever forward spent on the cap in the Belichick era.

 

[PhillyGreen]

The pattern you see over the last several years is very different than the Banner years. They are now significantly forward spending on the cap to retain and pay average talent with average results.

This is not even remotely accurate. Joe Banner was the master of forward spending. He set the standard for most teams are doing today even Howie. You really should try to be accurate when you post. I swear you pull some of this shit out of thin air.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

This is not even remotely accurate. Joe Banner was the master of forward spending. He set the standard for most teams are doing today even Howie. You really should try to be accurate when you post. I swear you pull some of this shit out of thin air.

Damnit....you beat me to this point!

Nickelbags Banner was indeed one of the originators of what is done today. And relative to the rest of the "cap innovators" he did reasonably well avoiding many of the pitfalls other GMs hit. These GMs also taught a current day guy like Howie the hard lessons....maybe even taught him more than Nickelbags did.

I guess I always keep in mind feedback a former co-worker gave. He worked for the Eagles about 8-10 years ago...club and suite sales. He worked in Nova Care much of the time and remembered Howie as the weird, quiet geek who sat in a broom closet by the bathrooms running numbers all day. He did not just learn from Banner....he cut every one of his GM teeth at the teet of old Joe.

I have laid off of it in recent years as I have liked more than Howie has done than not done.....but I will always consider Howie "Nickelbags, Jr". Even if he is not accused of spending like a drunken sailor on leave.

 

[Premium]

This is not even remotely accurate. Joe Banner was the master of forward spending. He set the standard for most teams are doing today even Howie. You really should try to be accurate when you post. I swear you pull some of this shit out of thin air.

Couldn't be more inaccurate. Banner took alot of heat for underspending the cap, but using innovate techniques to retain the cap space and more it forward into future years. He was the master of Backward Spending.

 

[I miss Dawkins]

- Banner had his issues but his record and philosophy was overall successful.
- Your statement on NE is inaccurate. They are in about the best cap position of any team in the league and I don't know if they have ever forward spent on the cap in the Belichick era.

Define successful??? How many championships did Banner's method produce??? They don't give lambardi's for having the most money left at the end of a season or passing the most money into another year. That is called a misuse of resources. Because while this is a business, there is also an objective to win a championship. Banner produced chit.

RE Brady and NE...
2010- Brady gets a 5 year etension which helps the team's cap by prorating signing bonus, giving them more cap to use.

2012 - brady restructures deal lowering his salary by taking another restructured bonus, which helped the teams cap.

*Note: Quote, "this maneuver allows the team to free up cap space in the present by deferring part of the cost of the bonus to future cap years." WOW, this was something you just SLAMMED the eagles for doing.

2013 - "Brady signs another restructuring and extension with the team, adding another three years to his then-current deal and keeping him in a Patriots uniform through 2017. Brady converts his entire salary for the 2013 and 2014 seasons into a $30M signing bonus instead. As a result, Brady’s total salary cap hit over the course of those two seasons is $28.6 million instead of $43.6 million, freeing up significant amounts of money for the Patriots to resign other key players"

2014 - Brady restructures his contract again.... Brady actually gets a small salary increase, but in exchange, he gives up part of the right to have his salary guaranteed for his last three seasons under contract. Instead of being completely guaranteed, his salary is only guaranteed for injury, meaning if he gets injured he still gets paid. As such, he gave up his “skill” guarantee, meaning if the Patriots no longer think he’s good enough, they can cut him at no cost to the team. Many viewed this maneuver as foolish on Brady’s part, but once again, this decision wasn’t about the money, per se. First, despite having a higher cap hit, giving up the guarantee creates liquidity for the patriots to pay bonuses to other players and retain more of their talent.

This was written in early 2015, and doesn't include anything since.

But as you can see, this was almost an annual thing. So yes, NE manages their cap well. But you are wrong about Brady constantly restructuring to help the team. They simply utilize their resources to improve talent. This is "NOT" what Banner did. He paid players in ADVANCE in hopes of them accepting lesser money after outperforming what he paid them earlier. His forwarding 10+mil from one year into another was a waste of resources and a complete failure. He should have improved the team instead. You sir, are the one mistaken, once again.

 

[I miss Dawkins]

Don't mind DPD.....he is bored and has nothing better to do. He ignores relevant information and then goes on to something else..

Yep... that does seem to be the pattern...