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Is joining a conference the same thing as socialism?

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Everyone gets to split the bowl money, even if you havents been to a bowl in years. Everyone gets to split the TV money, even if you're in a small market that generates almost no viewership. The "haves" get screwed while the "have nots" survive on the funding provided by the haves. It seems like this is how socialism works. Yet many Americans seem happy to let this practise continue.
 

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Can a business model can be considered communist?
 

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Can a business model can be considered communist?

No, and neither can a contractual agreement.


But that never slowed a troll thread
 

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Everyone gets to split the bowl money, even if you havents been to a bowl in years. Everyone gets to split the TV money, even if you're in a small market that generates almost no viewership. The "haves" get screwed while the "have nots" survive on the funding provided by the haves. It seems like this is how socialism works. Yet many Americans seem happy to let this practise continue.

Joining a conference (or not) is a free choice.
 

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whats wrong with this??

a little socialism is necessary in government... the trick is to find the correct amount... and the US is certainly to socialistic... But for bowl games and other sports, it is probably the best thing...
 

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Everyone gets to split the bowl money, even if you havents been to a bowl in years. Everyone gets to split the TV money, even if you're in a small market that generates almost no viewership. The "haves" get screwed while the "have nots" survive on the funding provided by the haves. It seems like this is how socialism works. Yet many Americans seem happy to let this practise continue.

Nope. While there is some revenue sharing via TV revenue that uses the Conference Brand, there is no conference seizure and ownership of school assets or individual incomes (ie ticket sales, merch sales, donations, etc).

Nice try tho. ND needs to wake up and just join their daddies in the B1G. This holdout is childish.
 

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Voting for a socialistic government is also a free choice.

Not exactly the same. If an individual school/team votes "no" to joining the conference, then they don't have to participate. The voter that voted "no" to the socialist government has no such choice.
 

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Calling it socialism is like saying when 2 people go in to a business partnership and split the profits 50/50 then it's socialism.

I agree, the key element here being ignored is choice.
 

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Calling it socialism is like saying when 2 people go in to a business partnership and split the profits 50/50 then it's socialism.

I agree, the key element here being ignored is choice.

The key element is really that Notre Dame is being a jerk.
 

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Nope, and on the flip side, having a league allow free agency to their players, a la pro sports isn't capitalism either.
 

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Nope. While there is some revenue sharing via TV revenue that uses the Conference Brand, there is no conference seizure and ownership of school assets or individual incomes (ie ticket sales, merch sales, donations, etc).

Nice try tho. ND needs to wake up and just join their daddies in the B1G. This holdout is childish.

Don't they also share bowl money? It gives Illinois and Indiana an incentive to lose to Michigan, because if Michigan wins and goes to a better bowl, and illinois isnt going to a bowl anyway, they will get more bowl money. Sounds pretty socialistic to me.
 

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Everyone gets to split the bowl money, even if you havents been to a bowl in years. Everyone gets to split the TV money, even if you're in a small market that generates almost no viewership. The "haves" get screwed while the "have nots" survive on the funding provided by the haves. It seems like this is how socialism works. Yet many Americans seem happy to let this practise continue.

No one was forced to join and most of the members seem happy. Just like America.
 

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Not exactly the same. If an individual school/team votes "no" to joining the conference, then they don't have to participate. The voter that voted "no" to the socialist government has no such choice.

But using that logic, we can't be a socialist state because people have the right to leave. Yet people keep saying the US is now a socialist state.
 

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But using that logic, we can't be a socialist state because people have the right to leave. Yet people keep saying the US is now a socialist state.

Action is being forced on the individual either way. They're being forced either to "go along" or to uproot and leave. The school/team can not join and still keep doing whatever they've been doing/whatever they want to do, completely unaffected by the conference.
 

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Don't they also share bowl money? It gives Illinois and Indiana an incentive to lose to Michigan, because if Michigan wins and goes to a better bowl, and illinois isnt going to a bowl anyway, they will get more bowl money. Sounds pretty socialistic to me.

Not really. The bowl bids are the same every year, so the payouts are basically set. The only big difference would be if the B1G gets 2 in BCS bowls...or I guess now 2 in the playoff but it doesn't seem terribly likely that any conference is going to get 2 teams in that system very often. The bowl revenue is split because its the conference that agrees and signs up for the tie-ins, not the individual schools.
 

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So your point is that freedom of association = socialism?

What exactly is your definition of socialism?

My definition would be : Taking money from the "haves" to prop up the "have nots" who can't generate the money on their own. And yes the "haves" agree to stay there, but this transfer of wealth seems to fit my definition of socialism. Some here seem to imply that just because someone could leave the conference means it isn't socialism. There are a lot of people who live in socialistic societies who like the security of being there, and ont want to leave.
 

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My definition would be : Taking money from the "haves" to prop up the "have nots" who can't generate the money on their own. And yes the "haves" agree to stay there, but this transfer of wealth seems to fit my definition of socialism. Some here seem to imply that just because someone could leave the conference means it isn't socialism. There are a lot of people who live in socialistic societies who like the security of being there, and ont want to leave.

Well if you relate a conference to an entire country I guess, but that's a pretty terrible comparison. If anything, the football programs are akin to powerful corporations or govt branches who actually have influence and the 'people' are the fans/players. I'm not exactly sure what your point is besides trolling or a 'gotcha see you conservatives like socialism because they like sports' type of point

There are a lot of people who live in socialistic societies who like the security of being there, and ont want to leave.

As for this...um so what? Some people liked communism too. Some people enjoy being in North Korea.
 
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