How does Hugh Jackson still have a job?

[Tharvot]

I might believe the tanking aspect if they didn't waste opportunities in those drafts. It's almost like they are intentionally avoiding quality QB prospects. Wentz and Watson to name 2 under Hue.

Those trades are the reason they have so much draft capital this year and last year.

What good is taking a "franchise" QB when the rest of the team is hot garbage? I fully support those draft day trades as smart business.

 

[Wamu]

 

[shopson67]

Those trades are the reason they have so much draft capital this year and last year.

What good is taking a "franchise" QB when the rest of the team is hot garbage? I fully support those draft day trades as smart business.

What good is a good supporting cast without a franchise QB? Chicken or the egg. Just the idea that the Browns could already be set at QB has to make this decision all that much tougher this year.

 

[Tharvot]

What good is a good supporting cast without a franchise QB? Chicken or the egg. Just the idea that the Browns could already be set at QB has to make this decision all that much tougher this year.

They could be. But they wouldn't have had a second pick in the first round last year or the #4, #35, and #64 picks this year.

The whole history of the Browns since returning to the league has been an endless search for a QB. Meanwhile, other teams have had a lot of success with mediocre talent at the position: the Bengals have won division titles, the Ravens won a few super bowls, Tampa won a super bowl, Minnesota, Houston, and KC have had a lot of success, and even the Bills were able to sneak into the playoffs last year with a pretty meh squad and mediocre QB. If you want to throw Eli into that mix, he won 2 super bowls while being a mediocre QB.

The point being there's no single right way to build a team and it didn't make sense for Cleveland to continue to beat its head against the wall searching for their QB answer when they could find just as much success by getting quality players everywhere else.

 

[shopson67]

They could be. But they wouldn't have had a second pick in the first round last year or the #4, #35, and #64 picks this year.

The whole history of the Browns since returning to the league has been an endless search for a QB. Meanwhile, other teams have had a lot of success with mediocre talent at the position: the Bengals have won division titles, the Ravens won a few super bowls, Tampa won a super bowl, Minnesota, Houston, and KC have had a lot of success, and even the Bills were able to sneak into the playoffs last year with a pretty meh squad and mediocre QB. If you want to throw Eli into that mix, he won 2 super bowls while being a mediocre QB.

The point being there's no single right way to build a team and it didn't make sense for Cleveland to continue to beat its head against the wall searching for their QB answer when they could find just as much success by getting quality players everywhere else.

I'll take the (somewhat) established young franchise QB over some unknown extra draft picks. If you ask those teams that "have had a lot of success" without winning a super bowl, they might disagree with you. Eli was the #1 pick overall and won 2 super bowls, a potential HOFer (loaded issue), doesn't exactly qualify for your mediocre QB.

 

[Tharvot]

I'll take the (somewhat) established young franchise QB over some unknown extra draft picks. If you ask those teams that "have had a lot of success" without winning a super bowl, they might disagree with you. Eli was the #1 pick overall and won 2 super bowls, a potential HOFer (loaded issue), doesn't exactly qualify for your mediocre QB.

His stats aside from SB wins are pretty mediocre. An argument could be made that the players around him had as much to do with those rings as he did. In any case, you're right he was the #1 pick.

The fact is that the draft is a often a complete crapshoot. Guys can flame out at any position. None of these QBs stands out to me as the next Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck (or even Jameis Winston coming out of school for that matter). Maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll be dead wrong. We won't know for certain for several years.

 

[SteelersPride]

any other franchise and he doesnt have a job

 

[Sgt Brutus]

IMO, the jury is still out on Jackson in Cleveland. Both the owner and GM recognize Jackson was hired at a time when the franchise was purposefully tanking in order to acquire the capital necessary to rebuild. It's unfair to judge him based on the last 2 seasons. Maybe he could have or should have won a few extra games, but we're splitting hairs when we're talking about going 4-29 vs 1-31.

That said, this coming season is definitely a "show me" season for Jackson. With the free agents and coaching added to the team in the offseason in addition to whoever they draft, significant improvement must be shown for Jackson to retain his job. If he fails, then some lucky coach is going to walk into a seriously plum job.

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Plus it shows other coaching candidates, “hey look, we’re not trigger happy anymore”

 

[Sgt Brutus]

What good is a good supporting cast without a franchise QB? Chicken or the egg. Just the idea that the Browns could already be set at QB has to make this decision all that much tougher this year.

What good? The Eagles are proof

 

[JohnShadows]

Because Browns ? .. and I know that's rich coming from a Lions fan, so sorry. Watching his presser after he learned he'd be coming back, he almost seemed embarrassed that he still had the gig.

Or pissed off that he had to do it for another year.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

any other franchise and he doesnt have a job

Except for Cinncy cause they have a top notch coach in place.

 

[cwerph]

Haslam gave Hue a huge buyout if he is fired before year 3 of his contract. Once the first game is played this year, he will be fair game for unemployment. Or so I have heard.

 

[Across The Field]

What good is a good supporting cast without a franchise QB? Chicken or the egg. Just the idea that the Browns could already be set at QB has to make this decision all that much tougher this year.

Philly and Houston were MUCH more talented teams than Cleveland the last 2 years. There's no way we're talking about them as MVP candidates and watching then put up awesome numbers throwing to Corey Coleman and Rashard Higgins. Had we drafted either of them, we'd be in good shape this year maybe. That's assuming their confidence isn't shot from being thrown into the fire with a shitty supporting cast.

The Bengals did things the right way in assembling the team and then getting their QB. from 2011-2015, they averaged 10 wins a year and went to the playoffs each year. They never got over the hump because Dalton isn't really that good, but even with him, they became a really solid team. Their problem, of courses, has been retention.

 

[shopson67]

Philly and Houston were MUCH more talented teams than Cleveland the last 2 years. There's no way we're talking about them as MVP candidates and watching then put up awesome numbers throwing to Corey Coleman and Rashard Higgins. Had we drafted either of them, we'd be in good shape this year maybe. That's assuming their confidence isn't shot from being thrown into the fire with a shitty supporting cast.

The Bengals did things the right way in assembling the team and then getting their QB. from 2011-2015, they averaged 10 wins a year and went to the playoffs each year. They never got over the hump because Dalton isn't really that good, but even with him, they became a really solid team. Their problem, of courses, has been retention.

It isn't always that easy (to build the foundation before the QB). You have to take your shot while you're in position to do so, unless you prefer to use 2-3 drafts worth of draft capital to move up and get your guy. Dalton has yet to win one of the playoff games, so any declaration of success in Cinci is debatable (and the fact that everyone was shocked when they kept their coach this offseason).

 

[Across The Field]

It isn't always that easy (to build the foundation before the QB). You have to take your shot while you're in position to do so, unless you prefer to use 2-3 drafts worth of draft capital to move up and get your guy. Dalton has yet to win one of the playoff games, so any declaration of success in Cinci is debatable (and the fact that everyone was shocked when they kept their coach this offseason).

And I think Cincy is a team in desperate need of a new coach. Marvin Lewis has been there far too long and squandered too much talent. Cincy was one of the 5 best teams in the NFL from a talent standpoint in the early 2010's. He just couldn't get them up over them hump.

 

[shopson67]

What good? The Eagles are proof

No. Wentz put that team in position to be the #1 overall seed. Foles did just enough not to waste that opportunity with just enough late vs the Rams, an easy matchup with the Giants, and poor outings vs the Raiders and Cowboys (but stepped it up in the playoffs).

 

[eaglesnut]

No. Wentz put that team in position to be the #1 overall seed. Foles did just enough not to waste that opportunity with just enough late vs the Rams, an easy matchup with the Giants, and poor outings vs the Raiders and Cowboys (but stepped it up in the playoffs).

Just think, if your team had Foles and Pederson then you guys could have actually won.

 

[Tharvot]

No. Wentz put that team in position to be the #1 overall seed. Foles did just enough not to waste that opportunity with just enough late vs the Rams, an easy matchup with the Giants, and poor outings vs the Raiders and Cowboys (but stepped it up in the playoffs).

Gotta give the coach credit there. Pederson changed their offense to better suit Foles' abilities. They ran a ton of college style RPOs that forced Foles to make quick decisions rather than sit back and break down a defense. Foles has always been much better at making quick decisions vs having too many options to think about.

 

[shopson67]

Gotta give the coach credit there. Pederson changed their offense to better suit Foles' abilities. They ran a ton of college style RPOs that forced Foles to make quick decisions rather than sit back and break down a defense. Foles has always been much better at making quick decisions vs having too many options to think about.

Agreed. That's the reason I really hope the Bills don't trade for Foles (rumors are floating), as he's worth much more to the Eagles than any other teams really. A bit of fools gold, unless you're willing to cater your offense to him in that same way.

 

[shopson67]

Just think, if your team had Foles and Pederson then you guys could have actually won.

Pretty happy with Goff/McVay in year one. Year two could bear similar fruit as it did for Pederson.