Harden = best overall offensive ever?

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Obviously James Harden will never be a two-way player. But just that one thing, as an offensive threat (scoring, assists, etc), is it fair to call him the best ever?

In a word? NO

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Is this a serious question?

For a guy who literally ONLY has offensive game, you'd expect him to score at least 40ppg

Which he doesn't...

 

[tlance]

Is this a serious question?

For a guy who literally ONLY has offensive game, you'd expect him to score at least 40ppg

Which he doesn't...

The question is about offense. Only offense.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

The question is about offense. Only offense.

Yes, and i'm saying for a guy who ONLY has offense, why isn't he putting up bigger numbers?

It's not like he's using up all his energy on both ends of the court.

 

[msgkings322]

Yes, and i'm saying for a guy who ONLY has offense, why isn't he putting up bigger numbers?

It's not like he's using up all his energy on both ends of the court.

He gets tons of points, assists, and rebounds. He definitely fills up the offensive stat sheet

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

He gets tons of points, assists, and rebounds. He definitely fills up the offensive stat sheet

Somebody already pointed out Westbrook has more. So why isn't he being mentioned more?

 

[msgkings322]

Somebody already pointed out Westbrook has more. So why isn't he being mentioned more?

He gets mentioned plenty. The top 5 are probably Jordan, Kobe, Harden, Curry, and Westbrook. (modern era). In some order.

 

[bksballer89]

Is this a serious question?

For a guy who literally ONLY has offensive game, you'd expect him to score at least 40ppg

Which he doesn't...

Because he's not a ball hog?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

He gets mentioned plenty. The top 5 are probably Jordan, Kobe, Harden, Curry, and Westbrook. (modern era). In some order.

The question was, is Harden the best ever.

The answer is, no!

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Because he's not a ball hog?

 

[bksballer89]

Kobe had 6 seasons with avg 22+ shot attempts per game including one year where he avg 27 shots per game. A total of 12 seasons where he avg 20+ shot attempts per game.

Harden just had his first ever year where he avg 20+ shots. This is his 9th season in the league

 

[GNG]

Obviously James Harden will never be a two-way player. But just that one thing, as an offensive threat (scoring, assists, etc), is it fair to call him the best ever?

He's good but Pistol Pete Maravich and Oscar Robertson were better.

 

[tlance]

Yes, and i'm saying for a guy who ONLY has offense, why isn't he putting up bigger numbers?

It's not like he's using up all his energy on both ends of the court.

YOu do realize his numbers are better than Kobe's, right?

 

[tlance]

He's good but Pistol Pete Maravich and Oscar Robertson were better.

Why does Pistol Pete get mentioned here?

Fun to watch and super flashy. Great player, but also very overrated. His career best PER was 20.5. He only made 5 all star teams and played a total 26 playoff games.

He was an all time great college player, not an all time great pro.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

YOu do realize his numbers are better than Kobe's, right?

What numbers? PPG? Or maybe the consecutive amount of games where he wore red socks?

 

[bksballer89]

What numbers? PPG? Or maybe the consecutive amount of games where he wore red socks?

You think PPG is the only way to measure best offensive players?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

You think PPG is the only way to measure best offensive players?

I already know you're going to randomly pick and choose which stats to include in this conversation so i'm going to stop you right there.

 

[tlance]

You think PPG is the only way to measure best offensive players?

We have clearly established in the past she knows nothing about basketball, so probably.

 

[tlance]

What numbers? PPG? Or maybe the consecutive amount of games where he wore red socks?

I wrote a very detailed post in the other thread looking at the advanced stats. It isn't that close. You should read it. Not going to keep repeating myself.

 

[thunderc]

Dude you are better than this. Think about what you are saying here.