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For all you Lebron Haters

Discussion in 'NBA Basketball Forum' started by flyerhawk, May 18, 2017.

  1. The Klaw

    The Klaw Representing the C Supporting Member Level 1

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    Too bad we might not see them play against each other again in the Finals for awhile. Pitty.
     



  2. flyerhawk

    flyerhawk Well-Known Member

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    I have no way to measure that. I've actually said that it is impossible to compare eras. You are the one that is claiming that the East has been the worst conference in the history the game, whatever that means.

    You've haven't provided anything approaches a qualitative argument to justify the claim. You just make the assertion and use hyperbole to defend it.
     
  3. Shaqdaddy11

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    Yes, this Eastern Conference (minus lebron) is one of the weakest in NBA history. Anyone with half a brain and just a little bit of basketball knowledge knows that!
     
  4. flyerhawk

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    That isn't an argument. It's an assertion and ad hominem justification.

    You won't even provide a framework to explain your position. Is the conference top to bottom the worst of all time? Or is it the lack of top tier teams?

    How is this conference worse than the mid-80s Western conference which was the Lakers a bunch of most lackluster teams? How is it weaker than, say, the 1984 Western conference which had 2 50+ win teams and only 5 of 12 teams having a winning record? Or the 85 Western conference which only had 4 teams with winning records, a 62 win Lakers and a 51 win Rockets?
     
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  5. trojanfan12

    trojanfan12 R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!

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    How about you stop being so sensitive Sally and see that I said "Cavs Fans and Lebroniacs" (which is plural) and never specifically mentioned you?
     
  6. BallsOfFurry

    BallsOfFurry Well-Known Member

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    In the words of MLK..don't be hate'n. just don't.
     
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  7. ArlingtonCowboys100

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    Maybe LeBron beats the rockets, but he would not have got past Jordans bulls
     
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  8. CitySushi

    CitySushi Hoopla Basketball Strategist

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    I don't really understand how anyone could really hate Lebron. The dude is simply amazing to watch on the basketball court. Maybe I'm just a basketball purist, but I really appreciated everything a player does and enjoy watching greatness. I hate Kobe because he was a Laker and my Laker supporter friends used to shit on all of us Warrior fans all the time when we sucked, but I still appreciated how amazing he was.

    Lebron will go down as the greatest player, to me, that I have watched play in the NBA from the start of their careers till the end. I didn't start watching basketball until around 91' - 92', so Jordan doesn't qualify there. Here are the top 5 best NBA players I've seen from the start to finish of their careers:

    1) Lebron James
    2) Shaq
    3) Duncan
    4) Kobe
    5) KG
     
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  9. Mecca

    Mecca Mecca of Blow it up!

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    If you saw Garnett from start to finish, why isn't the crown jewel of the 1995 NBA draft not listed in that top 5?

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    All joking aside, I really did like that fat bastard. Alas, his love of cheeseburgers derailed his career.
     
  10. CitySushi

    CitySushi Hoopla Basketball Strategist

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    Warriors had the #1 pick that year and took Joe Smith. SMH.
     
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  11. Mecca

    Mecca Mecca of Blow it up!

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    Well, on the brightside...at least they didn't take Ed Obannon...lol
     
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  12. Shaqdaddy11

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    I honestly thought Big Country was going to be legit back then...
     
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  13. Kold

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    That's not true. Look at the first 3 titles....Jordan won with Pippen, whom was just starting to make all-star teams at the time. Horace Grant was a solid contributor, and the only players left that were somewhat of contributors was Paxson, and Armstrong whom both averaged around single points per game. People really don't remember that those first 3 Bulls teams were not stacked in any way. Even the latter 3 title teams while having bigger names, weren't exactly stacked with stars, as opposed to key role players that played their part well
     
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  14. Shaqdaddy11

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    You millennials need to brush up on your basketball knowledge
     
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  15. Mecca

    Mecca Mecca of Blow it up!

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    Me too.

    It was hard not to like the kid and he had a couple of good Seasons.

    Sadly, the Buffett table was his undoing.
     
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    what if I like being sensitive Sally??

    just kidding, :suds:
     
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  17. tlance

    tlance Kyrie Hater

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    I agree that those teams were not quite as talented, but MJ was younger and more explosive than he was in the late 90s. 91-93 was his absolute peak. Grant was an all star caliber player and a very good defender. While not as good defensively as Rodman, he contributed much more offensively and had a similar overall impact to the team, IMO.

    Cartwright was well past his prime, but was a very serviceable big man who used to be an all star caliber player. Then the bench was loaded with high energy role players like Jud Buechler, Cliff Levingston, And Stacy King.

    I am not going to say that the 2016 Cavs were less talented than this group, but it is clearly debatable. Personally, I am taking Pippen + Grant over Kyrie and Love any day. Both teams had quality role players that fit their needs well.
     
  18. tlance

    tlance Kyrie Hater

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    Also, one more point:

    No teams in that era were stacked with stars like the superteams today. It is why I find it funny when people dismiss the notion that current teams are as good or better than top teams from the 90s
     
  19. BallsOfFurry

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    There were teams very stacked in the 80s and 90s. Boston, L.A. and Chicago were as loaded as any teams in history. Utah, Philly and Detroit were also loaded with stars.
     
  20. Shaqdaddy11

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    Add Atlanta, Seattle and Houston to that list too.