Draft Day Trade

[YankeeRebel]

Odds that Mr. Gronkowski is dealt on draft day?

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Nothing's ever zero but I think it's low...I don't see another team ponying up what it would be worth for the Pats to give him up given his injury history and apparently dubious commitment to playing. And I don't think Bill would take just anything to be rid of him.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Nothing's ever zero but I think it's low...I don't see another team ponying up what it would be worth for the Pats to give him up given his injury history and apparently dubious commitment to playing. And I don't think Bill would take just anything to be rid of him.

Ohh I think the Pats would settle for a a second and a 5th or 6th

 

[BigKen]

Considering how close to closed that Gronk pushed the door, saying he would only play with TB12, BB would have to throw in Brady to get a trade for Gronk. I think that would be more than a 2nd,plus a 4th or 5th.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Considering how close to closed that Gronk pushed the door, saying he would only play with TB12, BB would have to throw in Brady to get a trade for Gronk. I think that would be more than a 2nd,plus a 4th or 5th.

Gronk can squawk the squawk but I doubt he walks that walk.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Somewhere between slim and none.
I voted 1 - 25% with the thinking that with BB, there is ALWAYS the chance he swings a deal no one was expecting.
For that reason alone, Gronk has been in the news so much, I just don't see more than a 1% chance.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Slim to none IMO but I would not be surprised at all if he's traded in week 5.

 

[BigKen]

Every team would want to talk to him first. Their first question would be, "Will you play for us?". Gronk's answer would be, "Not at my present contract salary."

What is the best tight end ever to play the game worth in a trade where a team would have to pony up a new contract, most likely with an extension of let's say 4 Years at $60M, $40M guaranteed. Would he be worth a 1st and 4th? 1st and 3rd? 2nd and 3rd??

 

[CreepCreep2014]

I went option 2. A guy like Gronk you just don't swing a deal like that on a whim. Doubt any team will trade a 2nd rd pick for a guy who was thinking about retiring. I doubt BB would take a 4th/5th rd pick just to get rid of the best TE in football who just played a whole season for the first time in a long time. He will just let Gronk play and hope he can win 1 more ring before him an TB walk off hand in hand...

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I give it the 1% potion as well. On the same hand BB is vindictive enough to trade him just because. BB will get what we all perceive under market value and we'll all curse him.

On the other hand if he stays and plays a full season maybe BB warms up to Alex G. Then all will be right in NE again. Winning cures a lot.

 

[Southieinnc]

Gronk is a drama queen. He's having fun at your expense. He'll play next year and then? Who cares, we're not in charge.....

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Gronk's trolling the media, not us. Don't get your knickers in a twist over it.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Quick question: What if the Browns were to take Chubb and Barkely or Fitzpatrick with there first two picks then trade with NE at 23 to get a guy like Rudolph. What would that bring in trade to NE and would that be something that you all would see the Pats willing to do?

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

I could see the Pats perhaps being willing...I'm not sure the GB 4th would be enough to get Bill to drop 10 spots, though, even if teams are willing to discount the traditional chart value to move down this year. Maybe a late pick and they give back the 2019 3rd we gave them for Shelton?

I think it more likely Bill will want to trade down 31 than 23, though.

And I really don't see Cleveland waiting that long for QB...it would be a huge risk. They purged their entire depth chart...they traded away from chances to draft Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson...they can't afford to make that mistake again. It's unlikely but not impossible that all 6 QB's could be gone if they wait that long. Don't get cute, if you have a guy you feel good about, just take him.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I could see the Pats perhaps being willing...I'm not sure the GB 4th would be enough to get Bill to drop 10 spots, though, even if teams are willing to discount the traditional chart value to move down this year. Maybe a late pick and they give back the 2019 3rd we gave them for Shelton?

I think it more likely Bill will want to trade down 31 than 23, though.

And I really don't see Cleveland waiting that long for QB...it would be a huge risk. They purged their entire depth chart...they traded away from chances to draft Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson...they can't afford to make that mistake again. It's unlikely but not impossible that all 6 QB's could be gone if they wait that long. Don't get cute, if you have a guy you feel good about, just take him.

Yeah logic say's the Browns will take a QB early and it makes some sense Chubb and QB or vice verce then RB early.

 

[BigKen]

If they have any sense at all they take a QB at #1 and Barkley at #4. If Barkley's gone, then take Chubb. I can't see them dropping out of the the top four. They have #33, #35 and #63 in the second round. Bill would probably deal the #23 for #33 and #35 and a fourth or fifth round pick. That would give Bill #31, #33, #35, #43.......If the Browns were desperate for the #23, Bill might be able to get their 3rd second rounder at #63.

I'm not a big fan of trading that #23. I think the future QB of the Patriots might be there.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

They have #33, #35 and #63 in the second round. Bill would probably deal the #23 for #33 and #35 and a fourth or fifth round pick. That would give Bill #31, #33, #35, #43.......If the Browns were desperate for the #23, Bill might be able to get their 3rd second rounder at #63.

Of course Bill would take that deal. Dorsey's not dumb enough to offer it, though.

(PS we have #63, Cleveland has 64)

 

[cdumler7]

If they have any sense at all they take a QB at #1 and Barkley at #4. If Barkley's gone, then take Chubb. I can't see them dropping out of the the top four. They have #33, #35 and #63 in the second round. Bill would probably deal the #23 for #33 and #35 and a fourth or fifth round pick. That would give Bill #31, #33, #35, #43.......If the Browns were desperate for the #23, Bill might be able to get their 3rd second rounder at #63.

I'm not a big fan of trading that #23. I think the future QB of the Patriots might be there.

That trade would be terrible value for the Browns. They could trade both 2nd's and probably get into the top-15 if they wanted. If they wanted to trade all 3 2nd round picks that should get them close to the 10th pick in the draft. I think you are undervaluing the Browns picks here or overvaluing the Pats.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

The way I am looking at it now. NE would trade up into the late teens if someone slides, and it could happen. I think they package 23 and a 2nd and move up. I also think the have a few players in mind that they want at 23, and if those guys are not there, I see BB trading that pick away. The only way NE stay put at 31 is if they have not made any trade up or they didn't picked at 23. I can see teams wanting to get back into the 1st if a few OT or CB slide down the board. I think BB would gladly pick up another 2nd and 4th rd pick. My gut feeling is that we trade out of 23 and pick at 31.

 

[BigKen]

That trade would be terrible value for the Browns. They could trade both 2nd's and probably get into the top-15 if they wanted. If they wanted to trade all 3 2nd round picks that should get them close to the 10th pick in the draft. I think you are undervaluing the Browns picks here or overvaluing the Pats.

We all overvalue our players or picks. My point is that many teams make horrible deals to get someone they want badly. If the Browns make two picks at #1 and #4 and someone else is available at #23 then they move. Two second rounders wouldn't be an issue. If the Patriots think they know who the Browns want, they'll push for more and most likely get it.

Think the Browns would give up all 5 first and seconds for Brady and Gronk?? I think they'd give up all 12 picks for those two. Cowboys and Dolphins gave it up for less.