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Catholics vs. Convicts 30 For 30

jjc2009

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Grab your member berries and recall better days at ND. I think it was pretty well done, but still way too much whining about Cleveland Gary's ahem fumble. After two Da U productions telling their side it was nice to have a pro ND slant. That said the emphasis on that one play irritates me for several reasons.

First, whether you think it was a bad call or not ignores the handful of other bad calls. In the days before review, it was an unfortunate part of the game. My dad a former football coach would say it's our fault if a refs call affects the outcome it's our job to leave no doubt. Miami's TE clearly fumbled a few series earlier that led to a Miami scoring drive. But the refs ruled it incomplete and Miami survived to score on that drive. And Andre Brown never caught the 4th down TD to set up the famous failed 2 pt conversion.

Second, let's assume he was ruled down. Let's further assume they scored a TD on that drive. All it would have done is tie the game. Unless they tried to go for 2. Therefore they would at best be up one, tied or at worst still down 1.

Do you think ND would have played the next series as safe? They were playing the clock on the next series. ND would be trying to drive to win or break the tie. I hate these what ifs because everyone always assumes whatever follows would also happen exactly the same. (People make the same mistake about the Stanford game in 2012 too)

Third. Miami wants it both ways on the play. They wanted to argue Gary's knee wasn't down and that he actually scored, until you point out the ball was loose before crossing the plane. In which case they say oh no no no, his knee was down.

The other thing I didn't like was all the faux outrage at them being called convicts. We've been treated to two of these documentaries where Da U celebrated their thug life. They certainly had earned that reputation by 1988. At least Steve Walsh was man enough to say, yeah we kind of deserved that moniker.
 

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Actually haven't watched it yet I will do an actual reply once I watch it later tonight... I had to DVR it
 

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Thought it was a great watch. Not as involved in ND Football at that age, but do remember the game. Makes ya have hope for next season....
 

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I liked it ... alot. :heh:

And, I agree, the Gary fumble was way overblown when you take the whole game into account, especially with Andre Brown's non-TD catch as mentioned. Gotta remember that game turned into a D-battle that second half, too.

My bro still has his tee btw. :D
 

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Maybe they can do a 30 for 30 on how many times the refs have screwed us against Michigan.
They could title it "Water is Wet"
 

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I just watched the 30 for 30. This was a great season. I didn't get a chance to make it to the Miami game, but I did fly out to the #1 versus #2 SC game later in the season. That SC game was one of the top five games I ever saw. But 1988 was a great season.
 

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I just watched the 30 for 30. This was a great season. I didn't get a chance to make it to the Miami game, but I did fly out to the #1 versus #2 SC game later in the season. That SC game was one of the top five games I ever saw. But 1988 was a great season.
Isn't that the he game where Frank Stams knocked Rodney Peete's soul out of his body?
 

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Isn't that the he game where Frank Stams knocked Rodney Peete's soul out of his body?

Yes, but I didn't actually see that hit until about five years later. I was watching Smagala run it back for a touchdown.
 

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They did a great job. I was 6 years old when this happen so it was cool to see behind the scenes kind of look. Man how bad were the refs in that 4th Q. How was that a TD for Miami. Shows refs were just as bad as back then, thank god for replay.
 
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