Carolina Panthers Fire OC and QB Coach

[Yo Tee]

Panthers have fired OC Mike Shula and QB coach Ken Dorsey. Here's a list of open positions at Bank Of America Stadium:

Owner
President
General Manager
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator (95% sure of that)
QB Coach

Geez, what an offseason this is gonna be for the Panthers.

 

[jarntt]

Where do I send my resume' for the owner position?
i would also consider President

 

[Rock Strongo]

Panthers have fired OC Mike Shula and QB coach Ken Dorsey. Here's a list of open positions at Bank Of America Stadium:

Owner
President
General Manager
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator (95% sure of that)
QB Coach

Geez, what an offseason this is gonna be for the Panthers.

no QB coach can save cam newton.

 

[Yo Tee]

no QB coach can save cam newton.

Cam isn't the problem. He doesn't have any decent help. It's hard being a QB when you don't have any WRs.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Cam isn't the problem. He doesn't have any decent help. It's hard being a QB when you don't have any WRs.

no, cams a huge part of the problem. hes not a good QB. hes a nice runner, but hes not a good thrower of a football. that a QB's job.

 

[Yo Tee]

no, cams a huge part of the problem. hes not a good QB. hes a nice runner, but hes not a good thrower of a football. that a QB's job.

Cam is the nucleus of the Panthers. If he plays good, the team plays good, just like any other QB affects their team. The defense carries that team but when Cam is good, he's amazing. When he's bad, he looks like the worst there is. Without Cam, the Panthers are a bottom dwelling team in the NFC.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Cam is the nucleus of the Panthers. If he plays good, the team plays good, just like any other QB affects their team. The defense carries that team but when Cam is good, he's amazing. When he's bad, he looks like the worst there is. Without Cam, the Panthers are a bottom dwelling team in the NFC.

career 85 rating

one year over 90 in his 7 seasons, in this age of QB friendly play. 1 season out of 7 with 60% comp or more, in todays pass friendly nfl. 1 season over 4k yards out of his 7.

hes lead in passing stats twice. TD % one year, and YPC one year. thats...it.

cam newton sucks.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

That defense stunk this season, why would those guys get fired

 

[Yo Tee]

career 85 rating

one year over 90 in his 7 seasons, in this age of QB friendly play. 1 season out of 7 with 60% comp or more, in todays pass friendly nfl. 1 season over 4k yards out of his 7.

hes lead in passing stats twice. TD % one year, and YPC one year. thats...it.

cam newton sucks.

• Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (47)
• Most passing yards by a quarterback in first two games (854)
• Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)
• Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady
• First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, 1 passing touchdown, and 1 rushing touchdown in a single game (2)
• Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8)
• Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season
• Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14)
• Most combined yards in a player’s first five seasons (21,560)
• First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history to win both MVP and OROY in his career.
• Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards
• Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games
• First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games
• Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons [162]
• First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons
• First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons
• First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season
• First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season
• First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season
• First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons
• First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons
• First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game
• First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game
• First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season
• First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons
• Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season
• Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era
• Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown
• 3rd quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown
• 2nd quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown
• First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons
• Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning
• 3rd quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3.000 yards in his first five seasons
• 2nd most 5+ touchdown games in a single season
• 2nd quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game
• First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game
• Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four season

Cam Newton isn't a good QB. But he's isn't just a QB. He's a roller coaster QB just like the Panthers are a roller coaster franchise. But to say Cam Newton sucks is a severely uneducated opinion. Cam Newton is a playmaker. He's a big RB. He's a QB. He is a top 10 QB in this league and there is no arguing that.

 

[Yo Tee]

That defense stunk this season, why would those guys get fired

Because the offense sucked worse.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

So Tom Brady and his 89 career postseason QBR is the "Greatest Postseason QB Ever"

But Cam Newton and his career 85 QBR is a terrible QB


Things ya learn

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Because the offense sucked worse.

Got them to a postseason, scored 26 on the road, and could have won it for them if not for a couple things on that last drive

 

[Rock Strongo]

• Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (47)
• Most passing yards by a quarterback in first two games (854)
• Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)
• Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady
• First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, 1 passing touchdown, and 1 rushing touchdown in a single game (2)
• Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8)
• Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season
• Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14)
• Most combined yards in a player’s first five seasons (21,560)
• First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history to win both MVP and OROY in his career.
• Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards
• Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games
• First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games
• Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons [162]
• First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons
• First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons
• First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season
• First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season
• First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season
• First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons
• First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons
• First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons
• First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game
• First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game
• First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season
• First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons
• Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season
• Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era
• Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown
• 3rd quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown
• 2nd quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown
• First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons
• Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning
• 3rd quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3.000 yards in his first five seasons
• 2nd most 5+ touchdown games in a single season
• 2nd quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game
• First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game
• Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four season

Cam Newton isn't a good QB. But he's isn't just a QB. He's a roller coaster QB just like the Panthers are a roller coaster franchise. But to say Cam Newton sucks is a severely uneducated opinion. Cam Newton is a playmaker. He's a big RB. He's a QB. He is a top 10 QB in this league and there is no arguing that.

"uneducated?"

lol

hes not a top 10 QB in the NFL.he had a lower passer rating than jacoby freakin brissett or blake bortles. he was 24th in rating among starting QB's this year. there are 32 teams.

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

18th in yards

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

24th in YPG

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


12th in TD passes

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

hes in the top 15 statistically, or was this past year...and its close to being out of that top 15 if you use aggregate data.

he WAS 2nd in INT's tho!

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

 

[Yo Tee]

Got them to a postseason, scored 26 on the road, and could have won it for them if not for a couple things on that last drive

Panthers offense scored 0 points against the Bills and Bears and only mustered up 17 points against the Buccaneers. 28th in passing, 19th in total yards, their leading rusher was their QB, their leading WR only had 840 receiving yards. Their defense had 50 sacks, two players with 11, 7th in yards allowed, 11th in points allowed and 3rd against the run. I think I'd go with their defense instead of their offense.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Panthers offense scored 0 points against the Bills and Bears and only mustered up 17 points against the Buccaneers. 28th in passing, 19th in total yards, their leading rusher was their QB, their leading WR only had 840 receiving yards. Their defense had 50 sacks, two players with 11, 7th in yards allowed, 11th in points allowed and 3rd against the run. I think I'd go with their defense instead of their offense.

They definitely need some weapons on offense

That Ohio State kid was starting to emerge when he got hurt

 

[Yo Tee]

"uneducated?"

lol

hes not a top 10 QB in the NFL.he had a lower passer rating than jacoby freakin brissett or blake bortles. he was 24th in rating among starting QB's this year. there are 32 teams.

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

18th in yards

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

24th in YPG

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


12th in TD passes

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

hes in the top 15 statistically, or was this past year...and its close to being out of that top 15 if you use aggregate data.

he WAS 2nd in INT's tho!

2017 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Yes...uneducated. Need more clarification?

Thanks for that. But they are useless as I've already told you he's not just a QB. When you evaluate Cam just by his QB stats, yeah, the dude sucks. But he's not just a QB. He's a mobile QB and probably the best mobile QB in the league right now. Take into account everything he does as a QB and add in the fact that he's also a 250 lb running back. Makes him more valuable. When I say top 10 QB, that takes into account his rushing capabilities as well. Can't just go by passing stats when evaluating Cam Newton.

 

[Yo Tee]

They definitely need some weapons on offense

That Ohio State kid was starting to emerge when he got hurt

Yeah he was. IDK if trading Benjamin midseason was the best move either. McCaffrey also underperformed for the first half of the season too. Maybe a change in OC will help that.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Yeah he was. IDK if trading Benjamin midseason was the best move either. McCaffrey also underperformed for the first half of the season too. Maybe a change in OC will help that.

Benjamin kinda stinks, that move wouldn't have hurt if that Ohio State kid stood in the field imo

Mccafrey will be a 90 catch guy every season, don't know if he ever develops into an every down workhorse

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yes...uneducated. Need more clarification?

Thanks for that. But they are useless as I've already told you he's not just a QB. When you evaluate Cam just by his QB stats, yeah, the dude sucks. But he's not just a QB. He's a mobile QB and probably the best mobile QB in the league right now. Take into account everything he does as a QB and add in the fact that he's also a 250 lb running back. Makes him more valuable. When I say top 10 QB, that takes into account his rushing capabilities as well. Can't just go by passing stats when evaluating Cam Newton.

yes i can go by passing stats. because get this...a QB's job is to throw first. this isnt the option at nebraska.

he broke a couple of steve grogans records. do you look at grogans numbers and say "he was not just a QB!"

no. he was a QB who once ran for 12 TD's in a season. he had 21 rushing TD's over 4 years. 1370 yards rushing. 5.9 per.

no one says "but he was more than a QB!" when they talk about grogan.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Benjamin kinda stinks, that move wouldn't have hurt if that Ohio State kid stood in the field imo

Mccafrey will be a 90 catch guy every season, don't know if he ever develops into an every down workhorse

benjamins just big. thats it. hes nothing special.