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socaljim242

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The rose bowl was awesome this past season. Bowls don't matter if your team sucks and isn't entertaining that year maybe.
 

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You drew that from what I said? I'm honestly not sure how you translated what I said into Notre Dame being irrelevant, but no the objective is to now make the CFP. As we've seen you can accomplish this without having to win a conference. Even winning a conference title doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. If Notre Dame goes 12-0 or 11-1(most years) they'll make the CFP. If we don't have that record we'll play in a meaningless bowl game with 70 other teams. Will I watch, sure, will I care, not really.


You guys have zero conference games, your schedule is basically a bunch of meaningless bowl games, by your logic.
 

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Losing to Boise and WVU in Bowl Games,,, meaningless.
Beating Iowa and UConn and Stanford and Washington State and Alabama,,,huge achievements.


#amirite or what
 

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You guys have zero conference games, your schedule is basically a bunch of meaningless bowl games, by your logic.

You're either not understanding my logic or think that a regular season game and a bowl game are the same thing?
 

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There are some players that can get away with skipping bowl games but many can't.

Some bowl games are always going to matter more than others. That's the way it's been and will always be.

The playing field will never be level but the lesser bowls mean something to the kids, parents, and schools where making a bowl game isn't a given every year.
 

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You're either not understanding my logic or think that a regular season game and a bowl game are the same thing?

Don't they both end up on your final season record? If you win your bowl game aren't you moved up in the polls (assuming you're a ranked team playing a ranked team)?
 

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Don't they both end up on your final season record? If you win your bowl game aren't you moved up in the polls (assuming you're a ranked team playing a ranked team)?

Yes, and is there some sort of significance between finishing ranked 6th or 11th?
 

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Yes, and is there some sort of significance between finishing ranked 6th or 11th?
So only finishing 1st makes your season significant? So Notre Dame has had almost 30 years of insignificance?
Did you like your season more when your Irish played Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl or when they played Rutgers in the Pinstripe bowl?
 

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So only finishing 1st makes your season significant? So Notre Dame has had almost 30 years of insignificance?
Did you like your season more when your Irish played Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl or when they played Rutgers in the Pinstripe bowl?

There's a difference between me personally enjoying a season and playing in a meaningless bowl game. Obviously, I enjoyed the 2015 season more than the 2013 season, because we had an outside shot at making the CFP in 2015 had we won our last game against Stanford. We lost played Ohio State in a meaningless bowl game.

I'm not sure what's so confusing about my stance? Outside of the CFP all the bowl games are becoming increasingly more meaningless. That doesn't mean I can't have enjoyed the season up to having played in that meaningless game.
 

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There's a difference between me personally enjoying a season and playing in a meaningless bowl game. Obviously, I enjoyed the 2015 season more than the 2013 season, because we had an outside shot at making the CFP in 2015 had we won our last game against Stanford. We lost played Ohio State in a meaningless bowl game.

I'm not sure what's so confusing about my stance? Outside of the CFP all the bowl games are becoming increasingly more meaningless. That doesn't mean I can't have enjoyed the season up to having played in that meaningless game.

Why would an appearance in the CFP be meaningful if your team loses? You just end up ranked 3rd or 4th maybe even 5th. Hows that different from finishing 6th or 11th? With your stance only the title game would be meaningful.
 

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Bowl games tend to tell the story about what conference team played a weak schedule....and are entertaining to watch. Really don't see a down side on this one.
 

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Why would an appearance in the CFP be meaningful if your team loses? You just end up ranked 3rd of 4th maybe even 5th. With your stance only the title game would be meaningful.

Holy shit. An appearance in the CFP gives you a shot at the title. If you lose, you lost, but the game was still meaningful.
 

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It may not matter to the big programs, but it definitely matters to the others.
 

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Holy shit. An appearance in the CFP gives you a shot at the title. If you lose, you lost, but the game was still meaningful.

So only if you have a shot at the title is your bowl game meaningful? To anyone?
 

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So only if you have a shot at the title is your bowl game meaningful? To anyone?

Yes. And everyone is entitled to their opinion to answer your second question. It may be meaningful to some, but it's still an exhibition game. If the other bowl games mattered, there wouldn't be star players sitting out, or trying to introduce a rule where redshirted players can participate.
 

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Yes. And everyone is entitled to their opinion to answer your second question. It may be meaningful to some, but it's still an exhibition game. If the other bowl games mattered, there wouldn't be star players sitting out, or trying to introduce a rule where redshirted players can participate.

Star players sit out some games because they make a business decision. That game they sit out still matter to their team the fans of that team. I agree if you're USC or Ohio State you're not going to get excited about playing in the Motor City crankshaft bowl but if they were playing each other in the Rose Bowl and were say number two in their conference that year I'm pretty sure it would matter to both teams and schools fans. It might not matter to you the Notre Dame fan but as a fan of USC It would be an awesome matchup at the end of the season.
 

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Star players sit out some games because they make a business decision. That game they sit out still matter to their team the fans of that team. I agree if you're USC or Ohio State you're not going to get excited about playing in the Motor City crankshaft bowl but if they were playing each other in the Rose Bowl and were say number two in their conference that year I'm pretty sure it would matter to both teams and schools fans. It might not matter to you the Notre Dame fan but as a fan of USC It would be an awesome matchup at the end of the season.

Yes, it would be a great match up, that doesn't really have any meaning other than if the fans wanna talk shit if they win. Or in other words a glorified exhibition game.
 

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Yes, it would be a great match up, that doesn't really have any meaning other than if the fans wanna talk shit if they win. Or in other words a glorified exhibition game.

the over all majority of games dont decide a champion. If thats the only reason you think a game matters or is meaningful then why even watch or be involved with college football? Why post on a college football message board after your team loses its first or second game? After all, the season the games , other teams games have no meaning or matter.
 

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Yeah
That's just makes it more complicated.
The Red Shirt needs to be eliminated completely. Problem solved.
Every player can play 5 years.

I'm not sure I like that idea, unless they give more scholarships to teams...otherwise less kids can play if everyone gets 5 years. Right now only a percentage of all scholarships are red shirts.

I like allowing all redshirts to play in playoff bowl games, or only allowing them a few games a year.
 
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