Discussion in 'MLB Baseball Forum' started by Rock Strongo, Sep 13, 2017.
Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer in my book.
Mussina has to go in before CC and Moose has been eligible for the last four years. CC's best two years were better than anything Moose ever did. But, Moose's overall body of work is better than CC's. He was in the top 10 in the CY vote 9 times and CC only 5 times. He won 6 gold gloves and CC - well - CC never saw a ground ball he wanted to lean over for.
CC tends to be over-Jetered because he is was a power pitcher and most fans foolishly tend to value power over finesse.
morris's ERA was always considered too high, but thats by old standards me thinks. he was a man on the mound. he never had the accolades tho. TON of CG's but thats about it. i also, all that aside, think morris should be in.
is he still the last 20 game winner with an ERA over 4.00?
I agree that Mussina was better and should be in. I think he will too. His support has gone up considerably from his 1st ballot to the most recent.
Not even by "old standards". He has 2 seasons in the top 5 of the AL in ERA.
moose should also be in. he won 120+ games for 2 franchises and was a COG on a world series dynasty.
And to the last point, Pettitte won 21 in 2003, David Wells and Tim Hudson won 20 in 2000 with ERAs over 4.00. Rick Helling won 20 with a 4.41 ERA in 1998.
i remember at the time he was the first to do it in the modern era
He can sit beside Pete Rose. That guy has really got fat
Jim Merritt did it in 1970.
Mercenary with no ring. And fat as fuck.
Mussina first and only 20 win season was his last
Dont think it should matter, but wonder if it does to voters
Not to mention he was an intellectual that had no use for the media in Balt and than in the biggest market in the world, so that never wins ya points
2009 says hi
He was dominant in that 2009 World Series run. I assume you just blocked that out.
They won in 09? Holy sheet
I always just think of the Dbacks killing their feel good story in 02
It might, but he's already over 50% on just his 4th ballot. So I assume he'll get in. The Hall has been pretty selective on pitchers lately for some reason. There were 9 pitchers inducted who finished their careers in the six years between 1983 and 1988. There have been 9 since then.
yeah, if not for that Hung Ko Chop Suey closer on Arizona, the Yankees had no right being in that series
ok, then it was since 1970 asshole
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