Bunting???

[ElTexan]

@CubsJoeMadd @cubs How many close gms have we lost cuz you refuse to bunt, & how many will we lose cuz we don't practice it? #cubs #letsgo

 

[Johnny Sleeper]

Since a sac bunt is the worst statistical play in the game of baseball it never has and never will cost the Cubs, or any team, a game by not bunting.

 

[anotheridiot]

doesnt he make up for it with squeeze plays?

 

[ElTexan]

Since a sac bunt is the worst statistical play in the game of baseball it never has and never will cost the Cubs, or any team, a game by not bunting.

Not worst late innings down by one run.

 

[ElTexan]

doesnt he make up for it with squeeze plays?

Why would it 'make up for it?'
They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[Johnny Sleeper]

Not worst late innings down by one run.

The only situation where a sac bunt doesn't drastically decrease your odds of scoring in an inning are if there 0 outs with a runner on 2nd or you are bringing them in from 3rd. If the runner is on 1st it is NEVER the right move to sacrifice. If there is an out it is NEVER the right move to sacrifice with a runner not on 3rd base.

The only time the Cubs should even consider a sacrifice is with the runner on 3rd representing the tie or win in the 9th inning. Outside of that rare situation there is no statistical justification for even considering it. The Cubs, as the lineup is currently constructed, are better off swinging.

Anthony Castrovince: Debate over sacrifice bunts continues

 

[anotheridiot]

Why would it 'make up for it?'
They're not mutually exclusive.

you should have made the title sacrifice bunting then. Joe squeeze bunts as much as anyone, so it must raise his "bunting" numbers.

 

[ElTexan]

you should have made the title sacrifice bunting then. Joe squeeze bunts as much as anyone, so it must raise his "bunting" numbers.

I don't need title advice
The subject matter was well laid out in the post

 

[ElTexan]

The only situation where a sac bunt doesn't drastically decrease your odds of scoring in an inning are if there 0 outs with a runner on 2nd or you are bringing them in from 3rd. If the runner is on 1st it is NEVER the right move to sacrifice. If there is an out it is NEVER the right move to sacrifice with a runner not on 3rd base.

The only time the Cubs should even consider a sacrifice is with the runner on 3rd representing the tie or win in the 9th inning. Outside of that rare situation there is no statistical justification for even considering it. The Cubs, as the lineup is currently constructed, are better off swinging.

Anthony Castrovince: Debate over sacrifice bunts continues

I know the .86 v .65 data. But that's overall scoring from that sutuation. What we need is the likelihood of scoring "1" run from either situation, not total runs v total runs.

 

[ElTexan]

Another refusal to bunt. Another scoreless ninth. Another needless loss.

 

[Johnny Sleeper]

Are you arguing that Bryant should have bunted? A tie game would have just led to them losing a bullpen battle in extra innings. The bullpen blew another game. It's time for Theo to bite the bullet and pay the price to fix the bullpen. Bring in Miller and Bentaces and ends 3-1. Yes, it will cost some irrelevant players that have big names like Schwarber, Gleyber Torres and another decent prospect. Not a big deal to lock up the bullpen as elite through 2018.

 

[anotheridiot]

why the fuck was Baez bunting on a day like today after hitting one in the seats? Hope you are happy for wanting the bunt game.

 

[ElTexan]

W

why the fuck was Baez bunting on a day like today after hitting one in the seats? Hope you are happy for wanting the bunt game.

I was in the road. What was the situation? Was it one that called for bunting? If not, then that's not what I wAs talking about, right?
Do you know what 'obtuse' means... Because it seems you are obtuse... Often.

 

[ElTexan]

Bryant on first, no outs in the 10th. Rizzo doesn't bunt him over. Instead? Pops out.

 

[Johnny Sleeper]

Bryant on first, no outs in the 10th. Rizzo doesn't bunt him over. Instead? Pops out.

It probably has to do with Maddon's understanding of the game. You never bunt with your best hitter(s). You could argue Bryant trying to bunt with the bases loaded, one out and the winning run on 3rd, but then what do you do when Bryant pops the bunt up into a double play? You just killed a bases loaded situation instead of letting two of the best hitters in the game, Bryant and Rizzo, have their ABs.

Bunting is only the correct play when the runner on 3rd represents the winning run and there is a poor hitter at the plate. Outside of that rare situation it is an attempt to throw away the game. The Cubs are not looking to throw away games. They looking to win as many as possible. Just like they won this game because they didn't screw up and try to bunt with Bryant and Rizzo.

 

[Kevin12773]

Bryant on first, no outs in the 10th. Rizzo doesn't bunt him over. Instead? Pops out.

Depends on who's up. Rizzo or Bryant aren't bunting in that situation, Russell or Coughlan yes they should be bunting

 

[ElTexan]

It probably has to do with Maddon's understanding of the game. You never bunt with your best hitter(s). You could argue Bryant trying to bunt with the bases loaded, one out and the winning run on 3rd, but then what do you do when Bryant pops the bunt up into a double play? You just killed a bases loaded situation instead of letting two of the best hitters in the game, Bryant and Rizzo, have their ABs.

Bunting is only the correct play when the runner on 3rd represents the winning run and there is a poor hitter at the plate. Outside of that rare situation it is an attempt to throw away the game. The Cubs are not looking to throw away games. They looking to win as many as possible. Just like they won this game because they didn't screw up and try to bunt with Bryant and Rizzo.

Your outcome based logic is not a real logic.

If you run the ball on 4th and 17 from your own 35 with time running out, and your RB just happens to score the winning touchdown, that doesn't make it the right choice.

 

[ElTexan]

Then Maddon doesn't have Soler bunt Coghlan over with no outs.
Then he doesn't have Bryant bunt with one out and the winning run 90 feet away (this one is a judgment call since it was a forced situation).

Luckily, a very bad ump call ball4 bailed us out.

 

[anotheridiot]

Baez got one pitch to do damage with since he is so hot against lefties. He took it, then missed the sign, then did not get a bunt down on a low outside pitch, which was not bad to bunt for a sacrifice. Just did not seem interested in bunting. He wanted to swing. Soler basically bunted after fighting thru an 8 pitch at bat, but you are not going to have a guy that never never never bunts lose a strike in that situation. This team had runners on with no outs most of the game, Coghlan got bailed on on his own mental mistake of asking for time AFTER a pitcher started his delivery and is being adorned as a hero today.

 

[Kevin12773]

Hopefully no need to bunt today! 7-0 in the 2nd