BTN's Big Ten's SOS by division.

[Across The Field]

Read what Samurai posted, basically my thoughts.

His post doesn't put them over OSU.

 

[ericd7633]

LOL what? He transferred because Tulane went to a spread option and he's a pro-style passer. You've been slipping a lot lately.

I realize that, he was also awful, check his stats. And he's entering his 5th year of college. If he was any good, he'd be a known commodity.

 

[7Samurai13]

His post doesn't put them over OSU.

I don't believe that MSU would have a higher than OSU but I suspect it would be close.

 

[ericd7633]

His post doesn't put them over OSU.

The link he posted. That has MSU as having the hardest SOS entering next year. I realize it's just some guys opinion, but I agree.

 

[Across The Field]

Half the schedule is the same between the two. So let's look at differences
Michigan State vs Ohio State
Ohio State = Oklahoma push. Two powerhouse teams, I'm just going to call it a push.
Notre Dame 4-8 = Michigan State 3-9 push MSU won the head to head but ND had a better record
Western Michigan 13-1 = Army 8-5 don't know what WMU will look like so I'll call it a push
Bowling Green 4-8 = UNLV 4-8
Minnesota 9-4 < Nebraska 9-4 Nebraska won the head to head so they get the nod
Northwestern 7-6 > Illinois 3-9 NW better record and won head to head.

Not crazy to say they will be close

Both play michigan, Penn State, and Iowa. You get Minnesota on the road, we get Nebraska on the road. You just said Nebraska is better.
You face us, we face Oklahoma. Both will be top 5.
The rest of the schedules are interchangeable, so why would MSU "especially" have a harder SOS than OSU?

 

[Across The Field]

I don't believe that MSU would have a higher than OSU but I suspect it would be close.

Me too.

 

[7Samurai13]

Both play michigan, Penn State, and Iowa. You get Minnesota on the road, we get Nebraska on the road. You just said Nebraska is better.
You face us, we face Oklahoma. Both will be top 5.
The rest of the schedules are interchangeable, so why would MSU "especially" have a harder SOS than OSU?

As you already saw, and you commented, I made no mention of us having a tougher road than ohio State but we play @Michigan and @OSU you have Michigan and Penn State on the road.

 

[Across The Field]

I realize that, he was also awful, check his stats. And he's entering his 5th year of college. If he was any good, he'd be a known commodity.

He actually set all of the Freshman records at Tulane, which isn't illustrious but isn't awful. He RS his freshman year and had to sit out last year. Your last statement is just stupid. Most transfers from small programs aren't known commodities when they've had to sit out a year. Nothing at all suggests he's going to be bad except your constant need to contradict me.

 

[Across The Field]

As you already saw, and you commented, I made no mention of us having a tougher road than ohio State but we play @Michigan and @OSU you have Michigan and Penn State on the road.

Yup, we're on the same page. It's just eric being eric.

 

[ericd7633]

He actually set all of the Freshman records at Tulane, which isn't illustrious but isn't awful. He RS his freshman year and had to sit out last year. Your last statement is just stupid. Most transfers from small programs aren't known commodities when they've had to sit out a year. Nothing at all suggests he's going to be bad except your constant need to contradict me.

His QBR in 2014 was 116th in the country
His QBR in 2013(had he qualified) was 122nd in the country.

I'm sorry but that's fucking awful.

 

[Across The Field]

His QBR in 2014 was 116th in the country
His QBR in 2013(had he qualified) was 122nd in the country.

I'm sorry but that's fucking awful.

That's a hell of a job, establishing a QBR when he didn't even play a down in 2013.

 

[ericd7633]

That's a hell of a job, establishing a QBR when he didn't even play a down in 2013.

My bad. Meant 2015, and he did qualify his QBR was 123rd in the country. So yes, still fucking awful, but yes, I'm just saying this stuff to "contradict" you.

 

[Across The Field]

My bad. Meant 2015, and he did qualify his QBR was 123rd in the country. So yes, still fucking awful, but yes, I'm just saying this stuff to "contradict" you.

Again, played at Tulane, in the first two years of transitioning to a better conference. As I've said, there's been nothing but positives said about him so far this offseason. I guess we'll see.

 

[ericd7633]

Again, played at Tulane, in the first two years of transitioning to a better conference. As I've said, there's been nothing but positives said about him so far this offseason. I guess we'll see.

So he wasn't good enough in high school to go anywhere other than Tulane. Goes to Tulane and is one of the worst QB's in the country the two years he's played, and I'm supposed to believe he'll be good?

 

[Red_Alert]

Armstrong sucked, so being an upgrade over him isn't exactly saying much. But betting on a guy that couldn't cut it at Tulane isn't too promising. Nebraska was also extremely overrated last year.

2016 preseason poll

Notre Dame
Coaches (10th)
AP (9th)
Finished 4-8

Nebraska
Unranked
Finished 9-4

 

[ericd7633]

2016 preseason poll

Notre Dame
Coaches (10th)
AP (9th)
Finished 4-8

Nebraska
Unranked
Finished 9-4

Yeah, ND sucked last year, no denying that. I was more so saying that they should have never been thought of as a top 10 team.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yeah, ND sucked last year, no denying that. I was more so saying that they should have never been thought of as a top 10 team.

Who, Notre Dame? You've been on crack this entire thread. One dumb fucking thing after another.

 

[ericd7633]

Who, Notre Dame? You've been on crack this entire thread. One dumb fucking thing after another.

Nebraska was overrated when they got to #7 in the rankings. They got their based on beating a bunch of shitty teams. Which is fine. I'm just saying once they got to that point they were overrated. I would consider them a top 35 team last year.

And ND sucked all of last year and was the most overrated team right next to MSU.

And yes, Tanner Lee has sucked his entire collegiate career thus far. Could he be good at Nebraska, I guess so, but there's no evidence to suggest he'll be good. If he's good, I'll be wrong.

 

[Red_Alert]

Nebraska was overrated when they got to #7 in the rankings. They got their based on beating a bunch of shitty teams. Which is fine. I'm just saying once they got to that point they were overrated. I would consider them a top 35 team last year.

And ND sucked all of last year and was the most overrated team right next to MSU.

And yes, Tanner Lee has sucked his entire collegiate career thus far. Could he be good at Nebraska, I guess so, but there's no evidence to suggest he'll be good. If he's good, I'll be wrong.

Not sure where one is going to rank a 7-0 team. You have to put them somewhere and as they win they keep getting bumped as others lose. One also can't foresee upcoming injury bugs. Nebraska's O-line was depleted. They did play Wisconsin to 6 points.

There is no telling how Lee would have been on a better team with a more suitable offense. There's no telling if Oregon will be any better with a new coaching staff.

What is telling is that Notre Dame was in fact the over-rated team last season, and you're an idiot.

 

[ericd7633]

Not sure where one is going to rank a 7-0 team. You have to put them somewhere and as they win they keep getting bumped as others lose. One also can't foresee upcoming injury bugs. Nebraska's O-line was depleted. They did play Wisconsin to 6 points.

There is no telling how Lee would have been on a better team with a more suitable offense. There's no telling if Oregon will be any better with a new coaching staff.

What is telling is that Notre Dame was in fact the over-rated team last season, and you're an idiot.

Nebraska had a schedule strength in the low 100's to get them to 7-0. That certainly is enough to have them ranked(like I did), but for them to be ranked 7th was simply overrating them at that point, especially when they weren't overly impressive in their wins. And yes the game against Wisconsin was a "good" loss. I didn't downgrade them for it, I actually bumped them up in my rankings. Even in a loss that was there most impressive performance up to that point IMO.

Like I said earlier, Lee could turn out to be really good, I don't think he will be, and I think Oregon will beat Nebraska next season. Could be wrong on both, but there's evidence to suggest it could happen. I happen to think Oregon upgraded their coaching staff, especially defensively.

Notre Dame was overrated, no doubt about it.