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Best Starting Pitchers of the Last 35 Years

Discussion in 'MLB Baseball Forum' started by StanMarsh51, Mar 14, 2016.

  1. Omar 382

    Omar 382 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I think he is a tougher case. His JAWS and WAR7 are low, which lends thought to the theory that his 68.9 WAR is an example of being good for many years, not great. I still wouldn't mind if he got in though. 1997 and 2001, his two best years, were extremely hitter friendly eras (18th and 16th worst FIP, respectively). Now you could make the same argument for Glavine, Smoltz, and Mussina, but I want them all in.
     



  2. SlinkyRedfoot

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    Koufax was only Koufax for five years.

    Pedro is a lock. Halladay is a lock. Santana probably should be.

    Verlander couldn't hold Sabathia's jock.
     
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    Greinke?
     
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    Lock.
     
  5. Chewbaccer

    Chewbaccer Illustrious Potentate

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    I meant the HOF has a requirement that players must play for at least 10 seasons to be eligible. If CLayton Kershaw retired today, he wouldn't be eligible for the HOF.
     
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    Looks more like a great top 4 to me.... :heh:

    Of that list Martinez obviously was the best performer in terms of peak years, very Koufax-like. The other 3 had better overall careers but those are easily the top 4 in some order.
     
  7. Cedrique

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    What about Dave Stieb?


    Edit--my bad, I just looked him up and his career started in '79
     
  8. Omar 382

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    For those adamantly against Pettitte but in favor of Glavine, let's look at their best 3 WAR seasons. For Andy Pettitte, in 1997 his FIP was 48% better than league average. In 2001 it was 46% better than league average, and in 2003 it was 31% better. In 1991, Glavine's FIP was 28% better than league average; 32% in 1996; and 27% in 1998. They're a lot closer than you might think.
     
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    Mariano Rivera might be on this list. He wasn't a starter, but he could close.

    Also the best pitcher I have every seen was Pedro. He could beat hitters with his mind and his stuff. Him coming in to beat the Indians was one of the best pitching performances ever. The only thing that I have seen come close was Bumgarner in the world series game 7. Once they entered the game the other team knew it was over.
     
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    Yep, a guy who threw less than 1/3 of the innings of a SP should be on the list.
     
  11. Omar 382

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    Yeah, no
     
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    Ummmm......anyone.....anyone?? Nolan Ryan doesn't make the top 30?

    Nolan-Ryan-Autographed-Bloody-Lip-8x10-Photo--RYANPHS008001~PRODUCT_01--IMG_1200--1040415353.jpg
     
  13. StanMarsh51

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    pitchers who started their careers from the early 1980s onward


    Ryan doesn't meet the criteria.
     
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    My bad. Reading is for Nerds
     
  15. StanMarsh51

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    Updated list (top WAR as of the end of 2017)


    1) Roger Clemens
    2) Greg Maddux
    3) Randy Johnson
    4) Pedro Martinez
    5) Mike Mussina
    6) Curt Schilling
    7) Tom Glavine
    8) Kevin Brown
    9) John Smoltz
    10) Roy Halladay
    11) David Cone
    12) Andy Pettitte
    13) CC Sabathia
    14) Mark Buehrle
    15) Bret Saberhagen
    16) Chuck Finley
    17) Clayton Kershaw
    18) Tim Hudson
    19) Zack Greinke
    20) Justin Verlander
    21) Kevin Appier
    22) David Wells
    23) Cole Hamels
    24) Felix Hernandez
    25) Orel Hershiser
    26) Kenny Rogers
    27) Johan Sanana
    28) Mark Langston
    29) Jamie Moyer
    30) Roy Oswalt


    Notable changes in the past 2 seasons:
    -CC moves from #18 to #13
    -Kershaw moves from outside of the top 30 to #17
    -Greinke moves from #28 to #19
    -Hamels moves from outside of the top 30 to #23

    Scherzer with another Cy caliber year or 2 solid seasons could crack the list....
     
  16. navamind

    navamind WATCH OUT FOR THEM DEVILS

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    Lester could also crack this list in the next 2-3 years.
     
  17. soxfan1468927

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    Here's the list of pitchers by Hall Rating (weighted WAR basically) who started their careers after 1980.

    1. Roger Clemens
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Randy Johnson
    4. Pedro Martinez
    5. Curt Schilling
    6. Mike Mussina
    7. Tom Glavine
    8. Roy Halladay
    9. Kevin Brown
    10. John Smoltz
    11. David Cone
    12. Clayton Kershaw
    13. Bret Saberhagen
    14. Zack Greinke
    15. CC Sabathia
    16. Kevin Appier
    17. Justin Verlander
    18. Andy Pettitte
    19. Chuck Finley
    20. Tim Hudson
    21. Johan Santana
    22. Cole Hamels
    23. Roy Oswalt
    24. Mark Buehrle
    25. Orel Hershiser
    26. David Wells
    27. Felix Hernandez
    28. Kenny Rogers
    29. Mark Langston
    30. Jimmy Key
     
  18. Cedrique

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    Did David Cone ever come close to making the Hall of Fame? It seems like his stats would be enough to at least give him some good consideration.
     
  19. soxfan1468927

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    Nope, one and done. Just like Kevin Brown
     
  20. dougplayer

    dougplayer Don't hate because i'am right

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    You fool.. you left out one of the best rightys to come down the pike in a long time. J. VERLANDER... wake up man!!