As promised, AG...Part 2

[Gator]

The usual diatribe against the SEC is that they play only 8 conference games combined with weak OOC schedules which leads to inflated W/L records and more Bowl teams. As in...

I have no idea what AG fishing trip caused this, but the table in the OP doesn't take into account that the SEC gets in more bowl games because they have more OOC games for their mid/lower tier teams to feast on to reach 6 games. You only have to win two league games to reach a bowl. That sets their bowl appearances and appearances per number of members in an entirely different category than the others....

Yes, and your "mid/lower tier teams" only have to win three conference games to reach a bowl. My assertion is that it is easier for your "mid/lower tier teams" to win three conference games than it is for "mid/lower tier teams" SEC teams to win two!! Evidence???

IF the SEC IS getting preferential treatment then surely it should be reflected in the W/L records. IF the SEC has teams playing in Bowl games they “don’t deserve” that should lead to a LOWER W/L record. Let’s see.

As for "feasting" on lower quality opponents...
Bowl Games vs G5 opponents
1) PAC 31 VS G5 (24.0% of the PAC Bowls are against G5 teams!!!!)
2) ACC 27 VS G5 (16.8% of the ACC Bowls are against G5 teams)
3) B12 16 VS G5 (10.8% of the B12 Bowls are against G5 teams)
4) SEC 15 VS G5 (8.33% of the SEC Bowls are against G5 teams)
5) B1G 9 VS G5 (5.88% of the B1G Bowls are against G5 teams)

The PAC with their "We play more P5 teams and tougher OOC" schedule gets to play MORE G5 teams in Bowls than any other P5 conference! The SEC with their "inflated" W/L records has to play MORE P5 teams!!!

Welllllll... maybe feasting isn't the right word.
1) SEC 10W - 5L---0.667 VS G5
2) ACC 18W - 9L---0.6667 VS G5
3) B1G 5W - 4L---0.5556 VS G5
4) PAC 16W - 15L---0.5161 VS G5
5) B12 8W - 8L---0.5000 VS G5


How did the "over matched" SEC teams do???
In games vs ALL Opponents
1) SEC 107W - 73L---0.5944
2) B12 74W - 74L---0.5000
3) PAC 63W - 66L---0.4884
4) ACC 78W - 83L---0.4845
5) B1G 71W - 82L---0.4641
The SEC is the ONLY conference above 0.5000 and are 34 games over 0.5000!!!
The PAC has a losing records overall.

In games vs P5 Opponents
1) SEC 97W - 68L---0.5879
2) B12 66W - 66L---0.5000
3) PAC 47W - 51L---0.4796
4) B1G 66W - 78L---0.4583
5) ACC 60W - 74L---0.4478
The SEC is the ONLY conference above 0.5000 and are 29 games over 0.5000!!!
The PAC has a losing records vs P5 Opponents.

Note: In case you want to claim that the "numbers don't add up" for P5 teams (I left ND and the Big East conference out of the tables but not out of the calculations. BE was 34-27---0.5574 vs P5 and ND was 3-9---0.2500 vs P5)

 

[Rolltide94]

The usual diatribe against the SEC is that they play only 8 conference games combined with weak OOC schedules which leads to inflated W/L records and more Bowl teams. As in...



Yes, and your "mid/lower tier teams" only have to win three conference games to reach a bowl. My assertion is that it is easier for your "mid/lower tier teams" to win three conference games than it is for "mid/lower tier teams" SEC teams to win two!! Evidence???

IF the SEC IS getting preferential treatment then surely it should be reflected in the W/L records. IF the SEC has teams playing in Bowl games they “don’t deserve” that should lead to a LOWER W/L record. Let’s see.

As for "feasting" on lower quality opponents...
Bowl Games vs G5 opponents
1) PAC 31 VS G5 (24.0% of the PAC Bowls are against G5 teams!!!!)
2) ACC 27 VS G5 (16.8% of the ACC Bowls are against G5 teams)
3) B12 16 VS G5 (10.8% of the B12 Bowls are against G5 teams)
4) SEC 15 VS G5 (8.33% of the SEC Bowls are against G5 teams)
5) B1G 9 VS G5 (5.88% of the B1G Bowls are against G5 teams)

The PAC with their "We play more P5 teams and tougher OOC" schedule gets to play MORE G5 teams in Bowls than any other P5 conference! The SEC with their "inflated" W/L records has to play MORE P5 teams!!!

Welllllll... maybe feasting isn't the right word.
1) SEC 10W - 5L---0.667 VS G5
2) ACC 18W - 9L---0.6667 VS G5
3) B1G 5W - 4L---0.5556 VS G5
4) PAC 16W - 15L---0.5161 VS G5
5) B12 8W - 8L---0.5000 VS G5


How did the "over matched" SEC teams do???
In games vs ALL Opponents
1) SEC 107W - 73L---0.5944
2) B12 74W - 74L---0.5000
3) PAC 63W - 66L---0.4884
4) ACC 78W - 83L---0.4845
5) B1G 71W - 82L---0.4641
The SEC is the ONLY conference above 0.5000 and are 34 games over 0.5000!!!
The PAC has a losing records overall.

In games vs P5 Opponents
1) SEC 97W - 68L---0.5879
2) B12 66W - 66L---0.5000
3) PAC 47W - 51L---0.4796
4) B1G 66W - 78L---0.4583
5) ACC 60W - 74L---0.4478
The SEC is the ONLY conference above 0.5000 and are 29 games over 0.5000!!!
The PAC has a losing records vs P5 Opponents.

Note: In case you want to claim that the "numbers don't add up" for P5 teams (I left ND and the Big East conference out of the tables but not out of the calculations. BE was 34-27---0.5574 vs P5 and ND was 3-9---0.2500 vs P5)

Time Frame?

 

[WizardHawk]

This guy is all over the map.

First of all, AG still has him wound up and gets the award for troll of the week because making someone create this many threads about you and spending this much personal time going over data to battle your bullshit is advanced level trolling. It really is. Trust me, @handicappers is taking mad notes here for his own game.

Second, he starts a thread with AG's name in it and quotes me instead not speaking at all to anything (I'm aware of) that AG said.

Third, he still can't answer where the fallacy is in what I did say in the thread where this should still be discussed because he's trying to move the goalposts into a different topic in order to refute one he lost already if sticking to the actual points made in the first one.

Fourth his voice in that post was speaking directly to me and yet making many arguments against me on things I didn't actually say which is probably related to points 2 and 3 in some way.

And last, not only isn't any of his points clear or coherent, but there is no timeline or details in the data he is trying to spew to prove those points that aren't clear.

If you want to steer away from bowl eligibility talk be my guest. You obviously have some broader point you want to make, but are failing horribly in getting to it. I don't blame you for leaving the other discussion as you were losing that one badly.

 

[socaljim242]

This guy is all over the map.

First of all, AG still has him wound up and gets the award for troll of the week because making someone create this many threads about you and spending this much personal time going over data to battle your bullshit is advanced level trolling. It really is. Trust me, @handicappers is taking mad notes here for his own game.

Second, he starts a thread with AG's name in it and quotes me instead not speaking at all to anything (I'm aware of) that AG said.

Third, he still can't answer where the fallacy is in what I did say in the thread where this should still be discussed because he's trying to move the goalposts into a different topic in order to refute one he lost already if sticking to the actual points made in the first one.

Fourth his voice in that post was speaking directly to me and yet making many arguments against me on things I didn't actually say which is probably related to points 2 and 3 in some way.

And last, not only isn't any of his points clear or coherent, but there is no timeline or details in the data he is trying to spew to prove those points that aren't clear.

If you want to steer away from bowl eligibility talk be my guest. You obviously have some broader point you want to make, but are failing horribly in getting to it. I don't blame you for leaving the other discussion as you were losing that one badly.

Washington is going to play Auburn this upcoming season (In atlanta I believe). Ask him how many times Florida has traveled past their time zone for an OCC game in the past 30 years . Here's a hint (you only need one hand and not all your fingers).

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Stupid as stupid gets

 

[handicappers]

pink slip with the win

 

[fishinabarrel]

That's a lot of numbers

 

[Judge Fudge]

So how much is the rent that AG charges?

 

[TheReal_NU]

I voted potato salad.

Or is this scores only?

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

 

[trojanfan12]

I voted potato salad.

Or is this scores only?

Pretty sure this is the game thread for Oregon's next game.

 

[TheReal_NU]

Pretty sure this is the game thread for Oregon's next game.

Oregon has a coach by now.

Don’t they?

 

[trojanfan12]

Oregon has a coach by now.

Don’t they?

Yeah, pretty sure it's The Count of Monte Cristo or something. Messican guy, I think.

 

[B_dub]

Damn bro, how much time did you put into this shit?

 

[B_dub]

Yeah, pretty sure it's The Count of Monte Cristo or something. Messican guy, I think.

Give him a few months on the job. Let him win a few games, then watch him take a step up the ladder and take a better job like a Kentucky or Baylor opening.

 

[B_dub]

Yeah, pretty sure it's The Count of Monte Cristo or something. Messican guy, I think.

And fuck you for bringing up that Monte Cristo douche!

 

[TheReal_NU]

Yeah, pretty sure it's The Count of Monte Cristo or something. Messican guy, I think.

Thought it was that dude from Beverly Hills Cop???

Serge something

 

[TheReal_NU]

Give him a few months on the job. Let him win a few games, then watch him take a step up the ladder and take a better job like a Kentucky or Baylor opening.

UCF is an up and coming program.
Maybe he goes there next

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Holy Shit Gator