nuraman00
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Jordan finished 3rd with 261 points in 2015. Gobert was 5th with 33 points.
2014-15 NBA Awards Voting | Basketball-Reference.com
In 2016, Jordan was 4th with 50 points. Gobert was 7th with 13 points.
2015-16 NBA Awards Voting | Basketball-Reference.com
Green went from 317 points to 421 points.
Here's the detailed voting results, with whom voted for whom, for 2016:
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/04/2015-16-Defensive-Player-of-the-Year.pdf
Marc Gasol didn't even place in 2016, which is kind of weird for a recent DPOY winner.
Not saying I agree with the results, but it's interesting to analyze since the past voting results will somewhat be indicative of future results, as long as the voters are mostly the same people.
I was confused. I didn't realize you were talking about DeAndre Jordan - I thought you were making some old school comparisons of something.
He's not the only player that isn't a great defender, that is a good rebounder. To some extent, Boozer and Zach Randolph were similar.
At the same time, you can't get a rebound unless the other team misses a shot, and they must be doing something right if the other team is missing shots while they're on the floor.
If opposing teams aren't fighting him for rebounds, then it's their fault for not boxing him out.
Westbrook plays defense in spurts. That's about as good as people do these days. They don't do it all the time like Payton, Kidd, or Stockton did.
I'm not even impressed with Leonard or Paul George's defense.
Rondo was also accused of concentrating too much on rebounding.
Ideally, they'd be playing great defense AND rebounding, like what Kidd did.
But it's just not realistic to expect it from too many players.
In the end, rebounding is hard work, and even if there's some drawbacks sometimes to concentrating that hard on rebounding, it still helps his team most of the time, so I applaud his effort.
What do you think?
I think the teammates helping him helps on transition baskets to get the ball in the ballhandlers hands. Wish he'd shoot better percentages (but still lose). But I was surprised at his percentage when looking at it in the aggregate- thought it would be much lower when watching through box scores. Recently has shot better and I think he even commented on needing to pick his spots better.
What do you mean by "teammates helping him helps on transition baskets"?
Why do you want the Thunder to lose?
Yes, I'm also glad he's shot better recently. For most of the season, I was thinking he wouldn't be my MVP, or even top 2 pick. Now that he's shooting better, I'll have to reconsider.
For what it's worth, his True Shooting % is actually the 2nd highest in his career. That takes into account his FT% and 3's.
Look under "Advanced".
Russell Westbrook Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
If the PG gets the ball earliest or a good rebounder can pass the the ball to a running PG, it speeds up the transition. Letting Westbrook rebound does one of those. I actually heard this theory when somebody was defending Westbrook person he wasn't being selfish but rather the system supported this due to the transition options.
Why do I want to thunder to lose? I was speaking in general because I wanted to win the division. We already clinched the division this year and so therefore, it shouldn't matter, but I was talking about my perspective throughout the year. I am a fan of assists and I don't really care if it's because the guy has the ball in his hands all the time.
If the PG gets the ball earliest or a good rebounder can pass the the ball to a running PG, it speeds up the transition. Letting Westbrook rebound does one of those. I actually heard this theory when somebody was defending Westbrook person he wasn't being selfish but rather the system supported this due to the transition options.
Why do I want to thunder to lose? I was speaking in general because I wanted to win the division. We already clinched the division this year and so therefore, it shouldn't matter, but I was talking about my perspective throughout the year. I am a fan of assists and I don't really care if it's because the guy has the ball in his hands all the time.
Thanks.
To me, division standings aren't too important. I put more focus on overall league standings, since that puts the team in perspective with all teams.
This was a pretty thorough examination of arguments made.
I don't agree with shortening the schedule. The fewer the games, the less meaningful it becomes because the sample size is smaller. There's greater chance for noise.
Reducing the back to backs is fine.
As for whether injuries occur more often on road back to backs vs. home-road, road-home, or home-home, I'd have to see hard data.
There are also much fewer home-home back to backs in a season, so I don't know how meaningful of a comparison can be done.