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46n2's Conference Projections (5/18/2012)

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texas has vision and good leadership

I definitely agree with you on that. Like I said, good for them for looking out for them first .... but I'd rather be in a conference where conference members look out for everyone in the conference and understand that long term stability is BEST for EVERYONE involved .... LONG-TERM .. not 5 or 10 yrs .... LONG-TERM .... if the Big-12 is the only option that VT has, I'll take it ... but hopefully the B1G or SEC come calling first.
 

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From 247's Bobby Burton, who is very well-connected at Texas (and one of the founding fathers of the recruiting industry, starting with building Rivals from the ground up) ...

Is the Big 12 destined to add Florida State and possibly one other ACC school after the conference meetings at the end of the month?

"I wouldn't hold my breath," said one Texas source earlier today. The comment is in stark contrast to what other media outlets have written recently.

"The conference is incredibly stable given where it was a year ago, but fans have to understand that adding teams doesn't do all that much. More money is nice, but to what end? It's not going to be all about dollars (for Texas) or we'd already be in the SEC or another conference."

From media reports, several other schools in the Big 12 appear to be in favor of adding schools to the league to increase the financial pot. Those schools don't seem to share the same attitude as Texas about finances.

However, Texas and, to a large extent, Oklahoma appear to be moving in conjunction with one another.

"This isn't about conference strength," the source said. "We're strong enough. Oklahoma's strong enough. Our budgets are healthy. Some other schools (in the Big 12) want it because they look at it differently than we (Texas and Oklahoma) do."

That last comment is in reference to several of the smaller market Big 12 schools (like Baylor, Kansas State and Iowa State) getting possibly left behind the last time the talk of conference realignment reared its ugly head. The addition of more teams to the Big 12, the prevailing thought goes, would mean more stability and less likelihood of smaller market schools getting left behind.

According to the source, however, Florida State and other programs remain possibilities of joining the league. But adding league members is far from a done deal, and not all that likely if the source is to be believed.

Regardless of conference affiliation, one school that Texas continues to try to align itself with is Notre Dame.

The source said that Texas athletic director Deloss Dodds and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick spoke last week and that following the conversation Texas continues to be optimistic that the two schools can work out a mutually beneficial relationship.

The Longhorns are said to want to play Notre Dame in football every year or every other year, including a date in Austin on every other Thanksgiving.

"That game, according to what some media folks have communicated, would be the highest rated game college football could possibly have," the source said. "We're both national brands and we (the state of Texas) have the highest concentration of football viewership of a well populated state. We're almost two times what they get in California."

Outside of Notre Dame, the source said the Horns want to play every Thanksgiving day at home (perhaps Notre Dame one year and TCU or Texas Tech the next) to make it a nationally-televised contest on an annual basis.

Could a decision by BCS schools to re-work or completely change the current BCS eventually alter Notre Dame's thoughts on full conference affiliation with the Big 12, the Big East or the ACC?

"It's the only thing out there that could possibly push them (Notre Dame) one way (or another)," the source said. "But to make it seem like it's a foregone conclusion (that Notre Dame will be pushed into a conference), I don't think people understand the nuances of the decision they have to make."
 

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thats pretty funny coming from the school that fought so hard to keep the big 12 as close to 1980's big 8 as possible :D

Won't argue the point that Nebraska wanted to keep conference solidarity!

It wasn't that Nebraska was blind to potential league expansion or inviting other teams to the party, but as in life... it was "who" was on the guest list to be invited?

We all have seen how that worked out for the SWC... and once again in the Big 12. It’s possible that the league won’t crumble this time, maybe they (UT) learned something in their first coup d'état … but I would not bet on it just yet!

Go ahead and put whatever spin you want to on it... the fact is, the only people who are oblivious to the facts are those in burnt orange!

Now with that, I am not saying that Texas has done anything wrong (from their perspective)... hell, they are and were looking out for their own best interest in every move they made... and Kudos to them for that... That shows they were aggressive and yes... had vision for the future that most Teams & Conference's never even considered.
 

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I've met grad students who didn't understand what "20%" and "disclaimer" meant
 

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so just checked twitter......and from what i gathered---

fsu,clemson will announce they are exploring there conference options to the acc

nd is joining the big 12 partially until 2015 allowing the nbc deal to run out and then will be a full conference member

1 extra year with NBC is so important to ND that they are going to postpone joining a conference, leaving us with three 16 team conferences and one 15 team conference?

That seems ridiculous to me.
 

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And even more from 247Sports' Bobby Burton from Texas' perspective on this ever-evolving saga ...

As we mentioned yesterday, Notre Dame continues to be the wild card in conference realignment and the University of Texas, particularly athletic director Deloss Dodds who has been called "the driving force" behind the play for Notre Dame, appears dead-set on making the Irish the top priority in its plans for the future of the Big 12.

While Florida State and Clemson would be "attractive" additions to the conference, there is little question that Notre Dame is considered the key piece to the equation, according to a well-placed Texas source familiar with the continually evolving discussions.

"Florida State and Clemson, as good as they are, would not be accretive (financially) to the conference," the source said. "Adding them would not change the money for the other members, at least not significantly."

Other media sources have said the additions of Clemson and Florida State would increase conference payouts, so that might be a point of contention in negotiations involving the addition of teams. But, again, the Irish fall under a different category.

"Notre Dame is different," the source said. "That's why (Notre Dame's) Olympic sports make sense as long as there's some side agreement with football."

According to the source, just partial involvement from Notre Dame on a four-game, home-away rotational basis with the Big 12 changes the money for every team in the conference.

"Some very important media people believe that two away games, if they are the right two, from Notre Dame are worth more than everybody else's home games in the Big 12 except Texas and Oklahoma or when the other teams (in the Big 12) are playing Texas and Oklahoma. That's the general line of thinking."

Of course, the Irish have no real impetus to move its football program to a conference at this time.

Only a mid-June meeting concerning the future of college football's post-season could push Notre Dame into a conference full-time so the Irish can contest for a football national championship.

While Florida State, Clemson and perhaps other ACC schools want to change conference affiliations so they can control or pool their tier 3 football rights for larger money than the recently negotiated ACC deal, it's still a wait-and-see proposition on whether or not they move to the Big 12, according to the source.

"I'm telling you, (Texas) likes Florida State and Clemson. Texas likes Georgia Tech, Maryland and Pittsburgh. They like Louisville. The issue is this meeting (in June) and where that puts Notre Dame," the source said.

Could there be an announcement of FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12 prior to that meeting?

"It's always possible. FSU and Clemson are attractive (programs), but I don't see it as of this morning," the source said.
 

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and to jeffro ...from what ive read the big 12 is staying in "deny" mode to avoid lawsuits/tampering or whatever they call it.....so the big 12 sources will keep saying they are happy at 10 until fsu and others announce to the acc they are exploring options
 

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I say go for it ND :lol:

Make the move.........become the new Nebraska of the Big 12
 

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anyone getting a good feel for how the playoff will ACTUALLY be laid out? a lot of talk and rumors about who gets who re: expansion .. but it all hinges on

1. whether the playoff will cater to conference champions? any conference champ? conf champ of the big 4? or the current bcs aq conferences?

2. or AT LEAST give them preference if they're in the top X (6, 10?)

If the playoff takes the top 4 teams regardless of conference affiliation or standing, i could see this realignment push dying on the vine, for now

No one seems very inclined to make the first move right now, other than the Big 12 .. Once the first move is made though, all hell's gonna break loose.
 
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Another unsubstantiated claim of ND considering B12 here.
 

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anyone getting a good feel for how the playoff will ACTUALLY be laid out? a lot of talk and rumors about who gets who re: expansion .. but it all hinges on

1. whether the playoff will cater to conference champions? any conference champ? conf champ of the big 4? or the current bcs aq conferences?

2. or AT LEAST give them preference if they're in the top X (6, 10?)

If the playoff takes the top 4 teams regardless of conference affiliation or standing, i could see this realignment push dying on the vine, for now

No one seems very inclined to make the first move right now, other than the Big 12 .. Once the first move is made though, all hell's gonna break loose.

im thinking the conf champs(in the top 6 ranking) will win.....it will keep the door open to most schools(on paper,but it will really be the big 4 conf.)

big 12/sec will fight for top 4 teams but wont have the votes,then the big 12 gets some brownie points from fighting on the same side as ND .
 

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You have to use Conference Champs to get rid of biased Polls deciding the Champ, or who is ALLOWED to play for the Championship.

Even if you allow 4 teams to play 3 games to decide the Champ, if the Poll Selects those 4 teams its not a true champ.

It would be like the Eagles or Jets being PUT into the 2012 NFL Playoffs because they would have been Voted higher than the Bengals and Giants.

Now one might say, no way a 8-8 teams would be voted over a 9-7 team. But the Eagles were 5-3 in their last 8 games. Giants were 3-5. Both teams only beat 1 Winning Team ALL YEAR (Giants for Eagles, Pats for Giants). The Eagles were Peaking at the right time (4 wins in a row, star power), the Giants were fading down the stretch (3 wins in 8 games, a lot less star power then Eagles).

Its easily possible that if the Top 6 Vote Getters(sp?, that just looks weird) were allowed in the Playoffs the Eagles and Jets would have made it.



1977, before bowls
#1 11-0 Texas
#2 10-1 OU - Lost to Texas
#3 10-1 Alabama - Lost to Nebraska
#4 10-1 Michigan - Lost to Minnesota
#5 10-1 Notre Dame - Lost to Ole Miss
#6 10-1 Arkansas - Lost to Texas
#7 10-1 Kentucky - Lost to Baylor
#8 10-1 Penn State - Lost to Kentucky

For the most part it kind worked out right, BUT Alabama did not beat Kentucky. Alabamas best win was over #20 USC. Kentuckys best win was over #8 Penn State.

Let try and use this example for 2012, for both sides.
Alabama 13-0
USC 12-1 Loss to Oregon
Oklahoma 11-1 Loss to Notre Dame
Georgia 12-1 Loss to Alabama in CCG
Oregon 12-1 Loss to USC in CCG
Wisconsin 12-1 Loss to Michigan in CCG
South Carolina 11-1 Loss to Georgia
Michigan 11-2 Loss to Alabama and Notre Dame

Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Michigan are Champs.
So the 2 biggest problems would be
Michigan is a Champ but is behind 4 schools in the race to the Top 4, including the team they beat in the CCG, though they still have a better record.
South Carolina is 11-1 and never got to play Alabama
Georgia is voted #4 even after a 2 point loss to Alabama in the CCG.
Oklahoma is NO WHERE NEAR the Top 4, until 3 schools lose in the CCG and they are now voted #2, but have the same record as those 3 schools.

The point of all this is, is it just EASIER to allow the 4 best Conference Champs (as long as they have 11 wins) to be in the playoff by winning their conference.

Problem comes if there is a 12-1 team in one conference and a 9-4 conference Champ.
BUT
They are probably going to be playing the 12-1 or 13-0 Champ from the same conference that had the 12-1 school snubbed. Should be an Easy Win. And if 9-4 beats 13-0 then why SHOULD they have been left home and their spot given to a 2nd place team, when the 1st place team could not even beat the 9-4 school??

ramble over...
 

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the wvu guy is saying the big 12 will not be the 1st to announce expansion......acc is about to get the rug pulled out from under them.....wonder what the 1st announcement will be vt to sec,b1g???
 
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