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Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Pirates' started by thedddd, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. thedddd

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    With the OF projects not as good as once touted and the fact Cole is probably gone this will be yet another season wasted.
     
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    Happy New Year!


    Another day another Cole trade rumor, I guess he is gone soon.
     
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    Naw, they'll mess this up somehow.
     
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    Awful deal.....Really what is the point this season.
    Really if for the most part most people are like:
     
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    Well, they send Cole to Astro's and get little in return.
     
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    I actually like Colin Moran quite a bit. If the power is real, he's basically Travis Shaw, and Travis Shaw was a 3.4 fWAR player last season. But we'll have Moran for like 5 years.

    Musgrove had very similar numbers to Cole last season, and was once a top-100 prospect after putting up outstanding numbers every year in the minors. He may prove to be better served in the bullpen, where he dominated last season, but either way, he's a talented pitcher who can strike some guys out and doesn't walk many, and is an above-average contact manager.

    Feliz is a high-risk asset, but his upside is as a right-handed Rivero. They have very similar profiles, and very similar shortcomings. Ray got Felipe to overcome his shortcomings, perhaps the same approach will work with Feliz.

    Martin isn't highly regarded by scouts, but the numbers he's put up as a minor leaguer have been very impressive. He's said to have average at best power, but he keeps hitting dingers. If he keeps doing that, he'll force his way into legitimate prospect status.

    There might not be superstars in the deal, but honestly, it might make the team better as soon as this season, and will certainly make them better in 2019 and beyond.
     
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    If the power is real, Moran should be closer to the B+ side, because he's always been able to hit. As I said, he's likely to put up several 2017 Travis Shaw type seasons, .300/.350/.500, if the power translates. And since he's always hit the ball hard, I'm confident the power is real after adjusting his swing to add more loft.

    And if he's getting into his power, his selective eye could boost that OBP, too.

    He also didn't sacrifice any line drives to turn grounders into fly balls, so he could run a couple high BABIP seasons to post upwards of 5 WAR.

    Moran's a really solid get. I think his floor is average starter, but there's more upside here than he's given credit for.

    I'm getting interested in Martin, though, too. He's rated so low because scouts don't think he has enough power. But he keeps hitting for more power than the scouts predict. He could be a diamond in the rough if he keeps doing that.
     
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    I hope you are right about Moran, I guess we wont have to wait long.

    A tweener type OF fits in our LF, so that is one good thing about our huge LF.
     
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    That's true; I hadn't even thought about that. I hope the power he's added the past couple seasons is something he can sustain, because if he keeps it up, he'll suddenly turn into a pretty exciting prospect. Honestly, he'd look an awful lot like McCutchen, who stayed in CF despite being himself a tweener type, though less good because he doesn't have Cutch's discerning eye. Perhaps a Marte type, but with more pop and worse defense?
     
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    McCutchen traded to the Giants. Kyle Crick reportedly coming back in the deal, but I don't know who else. No Shaw, Beede, or Ramos, who were the players I'd hoped they'd land, but I'm still holding out hope for Aramis Garcia, a catcher in AA who broke out offensively last season. Good pop, good eye, higher strikeouts than you'd like, and no idea on his glove.
     
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    MLB.com 2017 Prospect Watch

    Reynolds our number 4 and Moran number 5 on mlb.coms list, I guess those guys dont mess around lolz.

    The Rivero extention looks like a great move unless he gets hurt.


    Do we spend the cash we saved? or just tank it completely.... Idk, time will tell, looks like there maybe some 1yr contract bargins in a month or so.