2 qb league strategy

[MilkSpiller22]

No, in the Milkian world, streaming means playing matchups, not what it means to 99.9999999% of the rest of the fantasy world

to be fair this time I said that in my post... not well, now that I re-read it..

 

[MilkSpiller22]

No, in the Milkian world, streaming means playing matchups, not what it means to 99.9999999% of the rest of the fantasy world

also, I think streaming and playing for matchups is the same thing... The only difference is that the position has so much depth in free agency...

 

[SmokingMonkey]

HAVE to go QB1 early, if not round 1, beginning of round 2 (pending where you draft slot is)

and like the others said - if you wait at all on QB, that means you have stock up and carry 3, even if you only have 3 bench spots.

that small of a bench means that you don't have to carry 3 QBs all season long, but I seriously doubt you'll find much of anything decent once those bye weeks roll around.

I'd rather draft my QBs in 2QB format, where I'm a regular streamer in redraft leagues

 

[TREFF]

also, I think streaming and playing for matchups is the same thing... The only difference is that the position has so much depth in free agency...

But, it isn't...
From Fantasy Tool Box:
Stream
Rather than having a reliable week-to-week starter at a position, an owner opts to use an in-season strategy of rotating starters by adding new players with favorable matchups from the waiver wire as needed.

And in a 2 QB league the QB position is not deep, it's easily without even a shadow of doubt, undeniably, even in your wacked world, the thinnest position, with 24 players needed to start every single week, there's only 8 possible guys, not in a starting lineup, to even have on a roster who will actually see the field any given week. . "Streaming", or even playing match ups, is not even a remote possibility to try without investing 3 tip top picks

 

[MilkSpiller22]

HAVE to go QB1 early, if not round 1, beginning of round 2 (pending where you draft slot is)

and like the others said - if you wait at all on QB, that means you have stock up and carry 3, even if you only have 3 bench spots.

that small of a bench means that you don't have to carry 3 QBs all season long, but I seriously doubt you'll find much of anything decent once those bye weeks roll around.

I'd rather draft my QBs in 2QB format, where I'm a regular streamer in redraft leagues

100% disagree about not wanting to have a third QB... bye weeks are still important to have that 3rd, and injuries can make that third either much more valuable for your team as a starter or as trade bait...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But, it isn't...
From Fantasy Tool Box:
Stream
Rather than having a reliable week-to-week starter at a position, an owner opts to use an in-season strategy of rotating starters by adding new players with favorable matchups from the waiver wire as needed.

And in a 2 QB league the QB positron is not deep, with 24 players needed to start every single week, there's only 8 possible guys not in a starting lineup to even have on a roster. . not even a remote possibility to try without investing 3 tip top picks

didn't say qbs were deep...

 

[SmokingMonkey]

100% disagree about not wanting to have a third QB... bye weeks are still important to have that 3rd, and injuries can make that third either much more valuable for your team as a starter or as trade bait...

only 3 on the bench though, which I assume is meant to limit the amount of QBs that anyone stashes.

I'd have a terribly hard time not having those 3 spots dedicated to RB/WR for over half the season, especially after my QB1 is through his bye week.

 

[TREFF]

didn't say qbs were deep...

You sure?

also, I think streaming and playing for matchups is the same thing... The only difference is that the position has so much depth in free agency...

The discussion was about QB's.. what else could you possibly have been talking about?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

only 3 on the bench though, which I assume is meant to limit the amount of QBs that anyone stashes.

I'd have a terribly hard time not having those 3 spots dedicated to RB/WR for over half the season, especially after my QB1 is through his bye week.

1 RB, 1 WR and 1 QB... I think It is just to weaken the disadvantage for the owners who are not going to own a SAFE 3rd QB... like, who would you rather have on your bench Josh McCown or a bench RB or WR, clearly it would be that back or receiver... But if you can pull off getting your #3 QB to be a top 24 QB, as someone will, then you should be doing that...

 

[averagejoe]

Let's try some numbers.

In a 1-QB system you can afford to wait to draft a QB because the elite (or tier 1 & 2) skill positions have the potential to offset a more elite QB. This is harder to offset in a 2-QB system.

25.1 < This is the average weekly fantasy points (wfp) of the top 5 QB in 2017.
16.9 < This is the average wfp of the top 5 RB.
12.4 < Average wfp of the top 5 WR.

So if you were to somehow draft David Johnson and ODB with your first 2 picks that's a total of 32.7 points on average for the week. You'd really have some ground to make up to catch the owner of Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins with a average weekly total of 50.7. A difference of 18 points per week.

So if you're thinking well I can get a late round QB. Here's the next set of QB finishers from 2016:

20.3 < Average wfp for the 6-10 QB.
19.5 < Avg wfp for the 11-15 QB.
18.4 < Avg wfp 16-20 QB.
15.9 < QB 21-25.
11.8 < QB 26-30.
5.1 < QB 31-35.

Keep in mind that in a 12-team 2-QB league, there will be 24 QB drafted, and most will try for a 3rd QB because of bye weeks, depth, etc.

So if you draft 1 top 5 QB and 6-10 QB, you have the potential for 45.4 points each week.
If you wait and draft one of the 11-15 QB and then a 16-20 QB, you're looking at 37.9 points each week.
And that's if you get lucky enough to draft a QB in the 11-20 range.


The only scenario I can see where it benefits you to wait on a QB is the other 11 owners draft the same way that you do and wait on a 2nd QB.

Hope this helps?

 

[TKOSpikes]

Let's try some numbers.

In a 1-QB system you can afford to wait to draft a QB because the elite (or tier 1 & 2) skill positions have the potential to offset a more elite QB. This is harder to offset in a 2-QB system.

25.1 < This is the average weekly fantasy points (wfp) of the top 5 QB in 2017.
16.9 < This is the average wfp of the top 5 RB.
12.4 < Average wfp of the top 5 WR.

So if you were to somehow draft David Johnson and ODB with your first 2 picks that's a total of 32.7 points on average for the week. You'd really have some ground to make up to catch the owner of Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins with a average weekly total of 50.7. A difference of 18 points per week.

So if you're thinking well I can get a late round QB. Here's the next set of QB finishers from 2016:

20.3 < Average wfp for the 6-10 QB.
19.5 < Avg wfp for the 11-15 QB.
18.4 < Avg wfp 16-20 QB.
15.9 < QB 21-25.
11.8 < QB 26-30.
5.1 < QB 31-35.

Keep in mind that in a 12-team 2-QB league, there will be 24 QB drafted, and most will try for a 3rd QB because of bye weeks, depth, etc.

So if you draft 1 top 5 QB and 6-10 QB, you have the potential for 45.4 points each week.
If you wait and draft one of the 11-15 QB and then a 16-20 QB, you're looking at 37.9 points each week.
And that's if you get lucky enough to draft a QB in the 11-20 range.


The only scenario I can see where it benefits you to wait on a QB is the other 11 owners draft the same way that you do and wait on a 2nd QB.

Hope this helps?

Actually, you would have made me want to try and go for it (wait on QB). In your scenario, wouldn't it be easier to gain that 18 points with the two QB you select vs the RB and WR he gets in those mid rounds? (and wouldn't the higher bust potential be from the RB/WR group at that point?)

 

[averagejoe]

Actually, you would have made me want to try and go for it (wait on QB). In your scenario, wouldn't it be easier to gain that 18 points with the two QB you select vs the RB and WR he gets in those mid rounds? (and wouldn't the higher bust potential be from the RB/WR group at that point?)

Nice try.
There is no way I'm breaking down every position in 5-player intervals.
Easier to just say "NO."

 

[averagejoe]

P.S.
I'm also theorizing this from the perspective that SP approaches this draft by using rankings from a typical 1-QB league. But the rest of the owners are not - based on his opening comments.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Let's try some numbers.

In a 1-QB system you can afford to wait to draft a QB because the elite (or tier 1 & 2) skill positions have the potential to offset a more elite QB. This is harder to offset in a 2-QB system.

25.1 < This is the average weekly fantasy points (wfp) of the top 5 QB in 2017.
16.9 < This is the average wfp of the top 5 RB.
12.4 < Average wfp of the top 5 WR.

So if you were to somehow draft David Johnson and ODB with your first 2 picks that's a total of 32.7 points on average for the week. You'd really have some ground to make up to catch the owner of Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins with a average weekly total of 50.7. A difference of 18 points per week.

So if you're thinking well I can get a late round QB. Here's the next set of QB finishers from 2016:

20.3 < Average wfp for the 6-10 QB.
19.5 < Avg wfp for the 11-15 QB.
18.4 < Avg wfp 16-20 QB.
15.9 < QB 21-25.
11.8 < QB 26-30.
5.1 < QB 31-35.

Keep in mind that in a 12-team 2-QB league, there will be 24 QB drafted, and most will try for a 3rd QB because of bye weeks, depth, etc.

So if you draft 1 top 5 QB and 6-10 QB, you have the potential for 45.4 points each week.
If you wait and draft one of the 11-15 QB and then a 16-20 QB, you're looking at 37.9 points each week.
And that's if you get lucky enough to draft a QB in the 11-20 range.


The only scenario I can see where it benefits you to wait on a QB is the other 11 owners draft the same way that you do and wait on a 2nd QB.

Hope this helps?

except in a 2 QB league you would likely not get a top 5 QB after the 8th pick in the first round, and you are unlikely to get 2 top 12 QB if you get a top 5 QB... Definitely dont wait on the first QB... but the second?? i guess it depends on where you draft...

and i guess it depends on what you think about QB#5-QB#20... i dont see much difference...

 

[averagejoe]

i dont see much difference...

In preseason, the differences always seem minimal. Workable.
But when you start losing games by 1, 2 or 9 points consistently, that could have been a slam dunk by drafting 2 top notch QB early.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

In preseason, the differences always seem minimal. Workable.
But when you start losing games by 1, 2 or 9 points consistently, that could have been a slam dunk by drafting 2 top notch QB early.

right... but preseason is when we predict who will be ranked where... if we knew who the top 10 QB were going to be then we would be drafting them earlier(not the clear top 3- brady,Rodgers,Brees)...

 

[averagejoe]

All the more reason to grab the elite QB if they're on the board.

Let the other 11 owners cry midway thru the season how they should have drafted differently.

 

[averagejoe]

Sample.

The last time I was in a 2-QB league (2014) this is how the first round went down:

1 Jamaal Charles, KC RB
2 Aaron Rodgers, GB QB
3 Andrew Luck, Ind QB
4 Drew Brees, NO QB
5 Peyton Manning, Den QB
6 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
7 LeSean McCoy, Buf RB
8 Brandon Marshall, NYJ WR
9 Calvin Johnson, Det WR
10 Tom Brady, NE QB
11 Eddie Lacy, GB RB
12 Matt Ryan, Atl QB

The guy who drafted Charles first was 6-7 (.462) and finished 11th out of 12.

 

[SteelersPride]

only 3 on the bench though, which I assume is meant to limit the amount of QBs that anyone stashes.

I'd have a terribly hard time not having those 3 spots dedicated to RB/WR for over half the season, especially after my QB1 is through his bye week.

yep

 

[SteelersPride]

good stuff guys, thanks