Tomsula hand picked Dlineman?

gkekoa · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
Drafting Long over Jackson
Drafting Scherff over Williams
Passing on D. Johnson to trade down for Matt Jones and picking up Kojo who cant crack the starting lineup with bad competition.

Is Jackson really much better than Long? Was the plan to move Long to celebrate terms the whole time? Can Jackson play center?

What was more important at the time, a DE or an OL? Well, we were getting RG3 back and he needed to be protected. OL was much more important. Who is better? I think Scherff is far superior. Williams can't do shit surrounded by massive talent.

As for David Johnson, why is it nobody remembers you standing on the table for him? We all remember Williams and Moses...but nobody remembers Johnson? Also, how do you know he wasn't the target in the trade down? Perhaps, it was a gamble that didn't pay off. Perhaps, it was a value thing.

I mean...you would have traded up into the first for Moses, probably would have cost us the Brandon Scherff/Leonard Williams pick anyways.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

gkekoa said:
Is Jackson really much better than Long? Was the plan to move Long to celebrate terms the whole time? Can Jackson play center?

What was more important at the time, a DE or an OL? Well, we were getting RG3 back and he needed to be protected. OL was much more important. Who is better? I think Scherff is far superior. Williams can't do shit surrounded by massive talent.

As for David Johnson, why is it nobody remembers you standing on the table for him? We all remember Williams and Moses...but nobody remembers Johnson? Also, how do you know he wasn't the target in the trade down? Perhaps, it was a gamble that didn't pay off. Perhaps, it was a value thing.

I mean...you would have traded up into the first for Moses, probably would have cost us the Brandon Scherff/Leonard Williams pick anyways.

To even ask that question that Long is just is good as Jackson is just nuts. Jackson could of came in and START at LG and we wouldn't had to spend the money on Lavou. So by having Jackson already on the roster meant that we could of drafted Williams ahead of Scherff. But Sm thought his great pickup of Paea would of solved the DE issue. It didn't. I would not have traded up in the first to get Moses. I always was a fan of Johnson and was against the trade down when it happened. I thought Jones was a major reach and he is.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

gkekoa said:
Is Jackson really much better than Long? Was the plan to move Long to celebrate terms the whole time? Can Jackson play center?

What was more important at the time, a DE or an OL? Well, we were getting RG3 back and he needed to be protected. OL was much more important. Who is better? I think Scherff is far superior. Williams can't do shit surrounded by massive talent.

As for David Johnson, why is it nobody remembers you standing on the table for him? We all remember Williams and Moses...but nobody remembers Johnson? Also, how do you know he wasn't the target in the trade down? Perhaps, it was a gamble that didn't pay off. Perhaps, it was a value thing.

I mean...you would have traded up into the first for Moses, probably would have cost us the Brandon Scherff/Leonard Williams pick anyways.

Plus, I would not have made the trade with Dallas and stood there and took Moses 2nd round, Jackson 3rd round. Not a bad draft without having a 1st round pick.

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
If KC throws 22 Ints with those 29 Td's I would say yes.

I just had to revisit this after lunch.

So you think its possible not only that Kirk will regress, but to an all time HISTORICAL level as a passer. You think he will possibly throw as many INTs in one season as he has over the past two combined?? More than any other QB has thrown in a single season in the history of the NFL, More than 1.5X the current record holder in this which is 14 in a single season.

All this so that Bruce Allen, the second worst GM we have ever had can maintain his job because you think he is more likely to follow the Mayock way of which you are such a huge fan.

Just.. WOW

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

Sharkinva said:
I just had to revisit this after lunch.

So you think its possible not only that Kirk will regress, but to an all time HISTORICAL level as a passer. You think he will possibly throw as many INTs in one season as he has over the past two combined?? More than any other QB has thrown in a single season in the history of the NFL, More than 1.5X the current record holder in this which is 14 in a single season.

All this so that Bruce Allen, the second worst GM we have ever had can maintain his job because you think he is more likely to follow the Mayock way of which you are such a huge fan.

Just.. WOW

Im not a fan of mayock. I don't know where that came from. its unlikely KC will throw that many. I'm just saying if KC bombs this year as a passer you cant blame that on Allen.

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
Im not a fan of mayock. I don't know where that came from. its unlikely KC will throw that many. I'm just saying if KC bombs this year as a passer you cant blame that on Allen.

Again you are reaching though. Realistically KC will level off at some point. He might not hit those numbers this year. But if Allen is as good as you think, the Defense SHOULD improve drastically. He should try to improve the run game. If this team fails, I think QB will be one of the last reasons unless we are running with a new QB, which after all will be his call.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

Sharkinva said:
Again you are reaching though. Realistically KC will level off at some point. He might not hit those numbers this year. But if Allen is as good as you think, the Defense SHOULD improve drastically. He should try to improve the run game. If this team fails, I think QB will be one of the last reasons unless we are running with a new QB, which after all will be his call.

You don't think the defense improves from last year? You have the draft, JG, Healthy Fuller, Swearinger, and new d coordinator, plus new De's who have upside. Cmon, I doubt they wont improve from last year.

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
You don't think the defense improves from last year? You have the draft, JG, Healthy Fuller, Swearinger, and new d coordinator, plus new De's who have upside. Cmon, I doubt they wont improve from last year.

I think right now we took one step forward with Swearinger, and two steps side ways. You love that word upside

Translation: Players that havent really done shit but they are young enough that they might improve. And this is why I say you are a Mayock/Kiper disciple. Because those two never met a young player without "Upside"

And we have been saying the defense cant help but improve for the last seven years. But I guess its like the ring toss game, if you throw enough rings... you have got to get one on top of the bottle at some point right??

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

Sharkinva said:
I think right now we took one step forward with Swearinger, and two steps side ways. You love that word upside

Translation: Players that havent really done shit but they are young enough that they might improve. And this is why I say you are a Mayock/Kiper disciple. Because those two never met a young player without "Upside"

And we have been saying the defense cant help but improve for the last seven years. But I guess its like the ring toss game, if you throw enough rings... you have got to get one on top of the bottle at some point right??

we drastically improved on paper and coaching. I expect them to be an improved unit. IF we somehow we land Foster or Reddick I would be happy

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
we drastically improved on paper and coaching. I expect them to be an improved unit. IF we somehow we land Foster or Reddick I would be happy

1. On paper... well that settles it

2. none of these guys have taken a snap for us, and two of them were average in their old homes.

3. Tomsula is an upgrade over the old line coach, we hope. Manusky seems more like a Joe Barry Lateral move than this grand upgrade.

But I agree, the defense should improve. So we go from crap to maybe average. Which should be enough for the team to improve... if we dont there is no realistic reason for Bruce to remain.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

Sharkinva said:
1. On paper... well that settles it

2. none of these guys have taken a snap for us, and two of them were average in their old homes.

3. Tomsula is an upgrade over the old line coach, we hope. Manusky seems more like a Joe Barry Lateral move than this grand upgrade.

But I agree, the defense should improve. So we go from crap to maybe average. Which should be enough for the team to improve... if we dont there is no realistic reason for Bruce to remain.

manusky to Barry a lateral move? Barry was one of the worst d coorndators in the nfl last year. LMFAO

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
manusky to Barry a lateral move? Barry was one of the worst d coorndators in the nfl last year. LMFAO

Manusky worked for him. IM not seeing this great coaching talent improvement you want to believe in.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

Sharkinva said:
Manusky worked for him. IM not seeing this great coaching talent improvement you want to believe in.

manusky had more dcoordinator experience than Barry.

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
manusky had more dcoordinator experience than Barry.

And yet he was a LB coach for us with out narry a sniff for a DC job untill we got down to the "Well what the fuck do we do now?" stage. Mind you there were actually four teams with WORSE defenses than ours. Yes hard to fathom I know, but we were only the 5th worst defense in the league last year.

skinsdad62 · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
To even ask that question that Long is just is good as Jackson is just nuts. Jackson could of came in and START at LG and we wouldn't had to spend the money on Lavou. So by having Jackson already on the roster meant that we could of drafted Williams ahead of Scherff. But Sm thought his great pickup of Paea would of solved the DE issue. It didn't. I would not have traded up in the first to get Moses. I always was a fan of Johnson and was against the trade down when it happened. I thought Jones was a major reach and he is.

Allen drafted long not SM

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
Allen drafted long not SM

I know. we weren't talking about SM.

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
Plus, I would not have made the trade with Dallas and stood there and took Moses 2nd round, Jackson 3rd round. Not a bad draft without having a 1st round pick.

ONce again there you have it... you would have over drafted an average RT because you had fixated on him. And who would have replaced Murphys production..

Oh let me guess fuck it, we would have drafted Moses in the second which is all that matters.

gkekoa · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
To even ask that question that Long is just is good as Jackson is just nuts. Jackson could of came in and START at LG and we wouldn't had to spend the money on Lavou. So by having Jackson already on the roster meant that we could of drafted Williams ahead of Scherff. But Sm thought his great pickup of Paea would of solved the DE issue. It didn't. I would not have traded up in the first to get Moses. I always was a fan of Johnson and was against the trade down when it happened. I thought Jones was a major reach and he is.

I said is Jackson that much better? I Aldo asked if we knew the original intention for Long?Jackson also didn't fit the scheme. We also have a coaching staff that favors vets.

You always mention the Lauvao signing being unnecessary if we draft Jackson, but we signed Lauvao before the draft. Perhaps we chose Long because he could slide to center.

OL was needed even with GJ. Our OL is better with Long and Scherff over just Jackson. And Williams just isn't that good.

We all know you would have traded up to get Moses. You were busting a nut when he fell to us in the 2nd, then you went blue when we passed...I'm sure you popped something when we got him in the 3rd.

As for Johnson, nobody remembers this crush you have developed.

deanpet21 · Mar 28, 2017

gkekoa said:
I said is Jackson that much better? I Aldo asked if we knew the original intention for Long?Jackson also didn't fit the scheme. We also have a coaching staff that favors vets.

You always mention the Lauvao signing being unnecessary if we draft Jackson, but we signed Lauvao before the draft. Perhaps we chose Long because he could slide to center.

OL was needed even with GJ. Our OL is better with Long and Scherff over just Jackson. And Williams just isn't that good.

We all know you would have traded up to get Moses. You were busting a nut when he fell to us in the 2nd, then you went blue when we passed...I'm sure you popped something when we got him in the 3rd.

As for Johnson, nobody remembers this crush you have developed.

Long was drafted to start at RG and he failed to do so. Jackson was just a better player and did not have an injury like Long did coming out of school. I disagree about Williams. why would I trade up to get Moses if he feel to the 2nd round? lol

Sharkinva · Mar 28, 2017

deanpet21 said:
Long was drafted to start at RG and he failed to do so. Jackson was just a better player and did not have an injury like Long did coming out of school. I disagree about Williams. why would I trade up to get Moses if he feel to the 2nd round? lol

HOly shit, are you now denying that you thought Moses was a 1st round talent?? As we idnt have a 1st rounder, you would have had to trade up to get him. You debated with me that he would probably get picked in the first round over Benjamin

Erfuckingo you would have had us trade up into the first round to take a 3rd rounder.

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