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wildturkey said:

Somewhere between Good to Meh. Nothing special. Just waiting for the PPV this Sunday to see where things are going. Only thing of note that changed was Vince is gonna decide who runs Raw at the PPV; Steph or Shane.

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So I made good decision watching one hell of a game 7.

I'd keep a eye for what Vince says and remember our talk earlier about "Brand Extension"

Judge Fudge said:

So I made good decision watching one hell of a game 7.

I'd keep a eye for what Vince says and remember our talk earlier about "Brand Extension"

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Yeah, you didn't miss anything. The matches, while entertaining, were just time fillers. Only one of note was Gallows and Anderson made their official debut against the Usos.

wildturkey said:

Yeah, you didn't miss anything. The matches, while entertaining, were just time fillers. Only one of note was Gallows and Anderson made their official debut against the Usos.

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I extremely disagree I felt this was a really good Raw. Other than than the Apollo Crews match I thought there was no filler on this show every segment was geared towards hyping the PPV which is what the go-home show should be. The Sami-Owens video package was amazing.

Enzo is annoying.

jeffro151 said:

Enzo is annoying.

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LOL, I like Enzo. Cass needs a little more polish on his Mike work. Tag teams are finally looking much more interesting with them and Anderson and Gallows.

Duffman said:

I extremely disagree I felt this was a really good Raw. Other than than the Apollo Crews match I thought there was no filler on this show every segment was geared towards hyping the PPV which is what the go-home show should be. The Sami-Owens video package was amazing.

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I didn't say it wasn't good, I just said you didn't miss much if you didn't see it. It was a go home show so naturally, they aren't going to give much away. If you skipped the show, you can watch the PPV and not be out of the loop on anything

jeffro151 said:

Enzo is annoying.

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I tend to agree with this, but people seem to like him. I could get behind him as a heel, since he seems to be so dislike-able to me.

Hitman Hart said:

I tend to agree with this, but people seem to like him. I could get behind him as a heel, since he seems to be so dislike-able to me.

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The crowd loves the guy, but I agree he's really annoying. Comes off as a massive tool. He is good on the mic though. WWE needs more believable faces so I do hope they stay that way. I may not like him, but if being a Face works, they need to ride that wave.

Forcing a guy on people has had problems for them (Reigns)

Hitman Hart said:

I tend to agree with this, but people seem to like him. I could get behind him as a heel, since he seems to be so dislike-able to me.

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People got over with DB, they want anyone on a mike that gets them to chant in the crowd. Wrestling is besides the point, so he should make it right to the top.

I can understand the love for Enzo, but what I don't understand is the same catch phrases all the time but the fans eat it up. Them and New Day could do a half hour match where 2 minutes are an actual match.

jeffro151 said:

Enzo is annoying.

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Hitman Hart said:

I tend to agree with this, but people seem to like him. I could get behind him as a heel, since he seems to be so dislike-able to me.

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johnson said:

The crowd loves the guy, but I agree he's really annoying. Comes off as a massive tool. He is good on the mic though. WWE needs more believable faces so I do hope they stay that way. I may not like him, but if being a Face works, they need to ride that wave.

Forcing a guy on people has had problems for them (Reigns)

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You guys are just SAWFT

wildturkey said:

You guys are just SAWFT

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soft*

So Ryback is gone? I wont shed a tear.

OregonDucks said:

So Ryback is gone? I wont shed a tear.

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Pasted the whole thing since it got taken down.

Feed Me More
Today I sit and fly home and for the first time in years feel absolutely free. I will start by saying I did request to be taken off of WWE television until myself and Vince could get a yes or no on a new deal. This has been going on since my IC Title run and had been nothing but a major strain on my life as all I ever wanted to do was work for WWE. I was told to head home until we agree or not agree to specific terms and contrary to reports it isn’t over money or a bus that stuff was settled a while ago. It comes down to a major problem I have with not only WWE but wrestling in general.

Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.

It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!

Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.

I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I fucking refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who fucking cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.

WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!

OregonDucks said:

So Ryback is gone? I wont shed a tear.

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We can only hope

You can't blame Ryback for wanting the entire roster to be compensated more. Sure, he's not a fan favorite, but he has a point.

his further tweets claimed it was not all about money, its asking for change from the writers deciding what they should be doing during a match. This sounds like CM Punk expecting to write his own scripts when he got the title handed to him.

jeffro151 said:

You can't blame Ryback for wanting the entire roster to be compensated more. Sure, he's not a fan favorite, but he has a point.

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He really doesn't though. Its an entertainment show not unlike a movie or a play. The draws get paid more. The bit players get paid less. Bit players are an essential part of the show, but they are still just bit players. It's always been that way and quite frankly, that's how it should be. Just because you job to Cena, doesn't mean you get Cena money. People aren't there for you, they are there for Cena. He's butthurt because his WWE career isn't going how he thought it would (a large part is he's just not good) and he's using this equal pay shit as a shield. He knows he's probably not going to be able to elevate himself to a higher paygrade as the Over people so he's trying get "equal" pay.

Just that the way used to be the referee letting the combatants know who was going to get the victory depending on how they performed and how the fans were responding to the match.

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Cena 9.5
Lesnar 6
HHH 2.8
Orton 2.7
Rollins 2.4
Reigns 2.1
Undertaker 2.0
Big Show 1.5
Kane 1.3
Ambrose 1.1