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I think we can all agree that we love Kobe for what he has done for the Lakers throughout his career. I think we all pretty much agree too, that he has earned the right to go out how he see's fit. I think we all can also agree that Kobe shooting so much and still having the offense go through him isn't working and isn't helping the young guys develop.

Tom Tolbert made a good point on Cowherd yesterday when he said that, at this point in their careers, the young guys aren't going to stand up to Kobe. If Kobe wants to shoot, they are going to give him the ball and get out of his way. It doesn't matter what Byron or anyone else says, it's what's going to happen. That's just how it works in the NBA.

Having said all of that, perhaps the best thing for the Lakers at this point, would be for Kobe to continue shooting as badly as he has for the rest of the season. He is currently shooting 31%. Kobe is a lot of things, he's arrogant, confident to the point of delusion and can be pretty selfish at times. What he isn't, however, is stupid. If this continues, he will figure out that his career is over. That should result in him finally hanging them up at the end of the season.

If he were shooting in the 40%'s and the Lakers were hovering around .500, he'd likely be in Jim Buss's office as we speak, wanting an 1 year extension. Perhaps the best thing at this point, is to let him do what he's gonna do, make the last few home games of the season, celebrations of his career and let him (force him?) to ride off into the sunset and go play in Italy or that new "seniors league" thing that someone posted about a little while back.

Then, with the shadow of Kobe finally off of this team, they can move forward, develop the kids, land a big time FA or 2 and get back to being a good team.
 

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Having said all of that, perhaps the best thing for the Lakers at this point, would be for Kobe to continue shooting as badly as he has for the rest of the season. ...

The more the Lakers tank the more chance they have to actually use their 1st round pick in upcoming draft.
 

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One thing I read that makes sense to me about Kobe being ineffective is the fact that he's been moved over to the 3. Kobe has always had a pretty good post game and with him being shifted to the 3, it negates one big advantage he's always had over other 2's: Size.

He's no longer quick or athletic enough to get to the rim as he used to but if you wanted to use him in the most effective way possible, it would be at the 2, and using him as a focal point of the triangle to accept the double team and pass out of it. Of course Kobe would have to be a willing passer, which I'm not sure he would ever accept.

Right now his role on offense has been relegated to stay out on the perimeter. That's just terrible.

Although I do agree that Kobe needs to realize on his own he's done. I believe he's probably about 60% of the way to this realization.
 

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I agree TJF12. And I think that is what the Lakers are doing sub-consciously anyways. Only Swag ventured out to point fingers and he did it in a sheepish not-direct way especially when the Swag is shooting nearly as bad. I think it'll work and we will be in a position to get another top five pick with this year the pick goes nowhere unlike next year when the Nash and Dwight trades will be finally completed.
 

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I agree TJF12. And I think that is what the Lakers are doing sub-consciously anyways. Only Swag ventured out to point fingers and he did it in a sheepish not-direct way especially when the Swag is shooting nearly as bad. I think it'll work and we will be in a position to get another top five pick with this year the pick goes nowhere unlike next year when the Nash and Dwight trades will be finally completed.

We have to hope for top 3. If it's later than 3, it goes to the Sixers.
 

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That's right. I meant top three and typed top five. Some days...
 

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One thing I read that makes sense to me about Kobe being ineffective is the fact that he's been moved over to the 3. Kobe has always had a pretty good post game and with him being shifted to the 3, it negates one big advantage he's always had over other 2's: Size.

He's no longer quick or athletic enough to get to the rim as he used to but if you wanted to use him in the most effective way possible, it would be at the 2, and using him as a focal point of the triangle to accept the double team and pass out of it. Of course Kobe would have to be a willing passer, which I'm not sure he would ever accept.

Right now his role on offense has been relegated to stay out on the perimeter. That's just terrible.

Although I do agree that Kobe needs to realize on his own he's done. I believe he's probably about 60% of the way to this realization.

Agree with much of this. I'm not sure him sitting out on the perimeter is by design. It just seems to be what he's doing. Maybe because that's where he's used to playing. He's big enough to be able to play in the post against 3's, he'll just have to work a little harder than with a 2.
 

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It's time for Kobe to go fishin.........:fish2: the "young" players will not progress as long as Kobe is on the floor.
 

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One thing I read that makes sense to me about Kobe being ineffective is the fact that he's been moved over to the 3. Kobe has always had a pretty good post game and with him being shifted to the 3, it negates one big advantage he's always had over other 2's: Size.

He's no longer quick or athletic enough to get to the rim as he used to but if you wanted to use him in the most effective way possible, it would be at the 2, and using him as a focal point of the triangle to accept the double team and pass out of it. Of course Kobe would have to be a willing passer, which I'm not sure he would ever accept.

Right now his role on offense has been relegated to stay out on the perimeter. That's just terrible.

Although I do agree that Kobe needs to realize on his own he's done. I believe he's probably about 60% of the way to this realization.

It doesn't matter what position he plays, he physically can't do it. That's why he sucks. His body broke down almost 2 years ago. That's it. He lacks lift and quickness, two things that were absolutely vital to his game. He was never a pure shooter, he relied on his athleticism and wits. Now his athleticism is gone. That's why he's taking so many 3s now. He physically can't get himself open or to the spots on the court he use to shoot. He just can't do it anymore. It's not coming back. He really is one of the worst players in the league right now. The only reason he's not getting clowned with crossovers is because other players have too much respect to do that to him. Its just sad. I can barely watch. Most of the time I just have the game going on my laptop while doing other things
 

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It doesn't matter what position he plays, he physically can't do it. That's why he sucks. His body broke down almost 2 years ago. That's it. He lacks lift and quickness, two things that were absolutely vital to his game. He was never a pure shooter, he relied on his athleticism and wits. Now his athleticism is gone. That's why he's taking so many 3s now. He physically can't get himself open or to the spots on the court he use to shoot. He just can't do it anymore. It's not coming back. He really is one of the worst players in the league right now. The only reason he's not getting clowned with crossovers is because other players have too much respect to do that to him. Its just sad. I can barely watch. Most of the time I just have the game going on my laptop while doing other things

When you're right, you're right. Same thing with Scott.
 

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It doesn't matter what position he plays, he physically can't do it. That's why he sucks. His body broke down almost 2 years ago. That's it. He lacks lift and quickness, two things that were absolutely vital to his game. He was never a pure shooter, he relied on his athleticism and wits. Now his athleticism is gone. That's why he's taking so many 3s now. He physically can't get himself open or to the spots on the court he use to shoot. He just can't do it anymore. It's not coming back. He really is one of the worst players in the league right now. The only reason he's not getting clowned with crossovers is because other players have too much respect to do that to him. Its just sad. I can barely watch. Most of the time I just have the game going on my laptop while doing other things

Yup. It is sad to watch. His unwavering confidence is now embarrassing him. Dude physically has nothing left.
 

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Real growth won't happen for the youth until Byron and Kobe are gone. Unfortunately that is not likely to happen until the summer. Best case scenario for enduring another awful season will be to hold onto that top-3 pick. I'll always be a fan of Kobe for all the rings and great games we witnessed, but it's time to move on.
 

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Real growth won't happen for the youth until Byron and Kobe are gone. Unfortunately that is not likely to happen until the summer. Best case scenario for enduring another awful season will be to hold onto that top-3 pick. I'll always be a fan of Kobe for all the rings and great games we witnessed, but it's time to move on.

The only thing that relieve the sour taste of this team is lotto luck gifting us Ben Simmons. He's already wearing purple and gold, that has to be destiny, right?
 

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Now many players and executives are expressing their concern and wincing for/at watching Kobe play these days. It seems everyone knows Kobe is done except Kobe and many describe the situation has "hard to watch". Much of what is in the following article has already been mentioned here on the Lakers board. Nonetheless.

League executives, players wince watching this Kobe Bryant
 

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Sadly, Kobe has now become more of a detriment to the Lakers than an asset. It's too bad that Kobe is not wired differently so that he could accept his decline in his playing ability and become a mentor to the young Laker players and help the team grown. Now, he is simply a cancer in the locker room. Angered by his own physical failings as a basketball player, he lashes at out the the inadequacies of others, while at the same time, over hyping his own ability. He needs to go.
 

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MWP is a year behind Kobe and is not playing as bad as Kobe. Granted, over the course of his career, Metta has not played the minutes Kobe has and he took a couple of years off. But indeed, I think the synopsis by many players, past and present, that Kobe's body simply has nothing left to give is probably very close to the truth. Scott should now relegate Kobe to coming off the bench if he won't retire and allow a youngster to take over the starting spot at the 3.
 
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