Rob Kelly or samaje perine

HaroldSeattle · Aug 16, 2018

eaglesnut said:
F=ma

This means the more mass an object has, the more force you need to accelerate it.

Got that right out of the definition of F=ma. So he should be able to accelerate quicker.

TREFF · Aug 16, 2018

eaglesnut said:
F=ma

He has less mass now.
He never had vision or instincts.
But he ran hard.

HaroldSeattle said:
This means the more mass an object has, the more force you need to accelerate it.

Got that right out of the definition of F=ma. So he should be able to accelerate quicker.

Nice try though Bill Nye. Force, strength, power, supplied by muscle, which I highly doubt he tried to shed. The muscle is still there to supply the same drive, to less weight, which should equal more power.

Now if you wanna talk momentum, maybe you'd have a point

eaglesnut · Aug 16, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
This means the more mass an object has, the more force you need to accelerate it.

Got that right out of the definition of F=ma. So he should be able to accelerate quicker.

I was just pointing out there's a relationship. Mostly I'm not sure if he's the type of back that will benefit. His thickness, even if it was of the fatter type, was useful for his style.

SmokingMonkey · Aug 16, 2018

anyone who thinks Penny will be given every chance to 'win the job' over Carson, has to in their right mind, also believe that Perine will be afforded every opportunity to handle the load over Kelley

regardless of the weight of the draft stock, there is more invested in Penny/Perine than there is Carson/Kelley, and until the talent/production proves otherwise, the P's will be giving their chance over the rest

TREFF · Aug 16, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
anyone who thinks Penny will be given every chance to 'win the job' over Carson, has to in their right mind, also believe that Perine will be afforded every opportunity to handle the load over Kelley

regardless of the weight of the draft stock, there is more invested in Penny/Perine than there is Carson/Kelley, and until the talent/production proves otherwise, the P's will be giving their chance over the rest

I'm squarely in that demographic, for sure.

averagejoe · Aug 16, 2018

Personally staying away from the Skins backfield. But to answer your question > Perine.

TREFF · Aug 16, 2018

Kelly started, no idea why, Perine comes in, rips a 30 harder..gets hurt limps to the sidelines...perhaps you just stay away

HaroldSeattle · Aug 16, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
anyone who thinks Penny will be given every chance to 'win the job' over Carson, has to in their right mind, also believe that Perine will be afforded every opportunity to handle the load over Kelley

regardless of the weight of the draft stock, there is more invested in Penny/Perine than there is Carson/Kelley, and until the talent/production proves otherwise, the P's will be giving their chance over the rest

IDK, even if Carson and Perine are the starting RB on their team, most everyone expect Carson to be more valuable, with good reason I might add. I have Carson on the same level as Crowell and Collins if he starts and at this point he is the starter. Perine is in a 50/50 deal with a similar RB, I like Perine over fat Kelly, but Kelly will most likely split carries with Perine and Thompson will be the most valuable RB on the Redskins.

SmokingMonkey · Aug 16, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
IDK, even if Carson and Perine are the starting RB on their team, most everyone expect Carson to be more valuable, with good reason I might add. I have Carson on the same level as Crowell and Collins if he starts and at this point he is the starter. Perine is in a 50/50 deal with a similar RB, I like Perine over fat Kelly, but Kelly will most likely split carries with Perine and Thompson will be the most valuable RB on the Redskins.

I'm doubting anyone gets bellcow treatment outside of penny on Seattle this yr

HaroldSeattle · Aug 16, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
I'm doubting anyone gets bellcow treatment outside of penny on Seattle this yr

Well it’s all relative. Compared to the Redskins , Carson is a ace RB versus Perine. That is just facts.

wildturkey · Aug 17, 2018

Everyone here seems to be saying Perine.

Rob Kelley got the start with the first teamers tonight.

Perine came in later, got hurt. Kabri Bibbs came in and looked okish. Thompson is an injury mystery

The lesson here? Don't bother drafting a Redskins RB. You're better off just waiting until after Week 1 and using a waiver if some guy looks good.

SteelersPride · Aug 17, 2018

wildturkey said:
Everyone here seems to be saying Perine.

Rob Kelley got the start with the first teamers tonight.

Perine came in later, got hurt. Kabri Bibbs came in and looked okish. Thompson is an injury mystery

The lesson here? Don't bother drafting a Redskins RB. You're better off just waiting until after Week 1 and using a waiver if some guy looks good.

Could be kellley

averagejoe · Aug 17, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
anyone who thinks Penny will be given every chance to 'win the job' over Carson, has to in their right mind, also believe that Perine will be afforded every opportunity to handle the load over Kelley

regardless of the weight of the draft stock, there is more invested in Penny/Perine than there is Carson/Kelley, and until the talent/production proves otherwise, the P's will be giving their chance over the rest

This is excellent reasoning.
However, production always wins out.
And with rookie salaries, their investment is relatively minimal/common.

Maybe this is a poor comparison but Jeremy Langford (high 4th round pick) was supposed to be the starter but Jordan Howard (5th round pick) was simply better and took over as the starter by season's end.
Just can't see a coaching staff deliberately trotting out the less impressive back just because of draft stock.
If anything, a higher pick will may simply stick around longer because of where he was drafted. But that's no lock for touches.

SmokingMonkey · Aug 17, 2018

averagejoe said:
This is excellent reasoning.
However, production always wins out.
And with rookie salaries, their investment is relatively minimal/common.

Maybe this is a poor comparison but Jeremy Langford (high 4th round pick) was supposed to be the starter but Jordan Howard (5th round pick) was simply better and took over as the starter by season's end.
Just can't see a coaching staff deliberately trotting out the less impressive back just because of draft stock.
If anything, a higher pick will may simply stick around longer because of where he was drafted. But that's no lock for touches.

agree completely - talent and ultimately on-the-field-production will always win out in the end

and even in that season where Howard was clearly better than Langford, it still took an injury to Langford before he lost his job. I think it was like week 3 of that season, but the Bears were still trotting Langford out there ahead of Howard to start the season.

averagejoe · Aug 17, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
agree completely - talent and ultimately on-the-field-production will always win out in the end

and even in that season where Howard was clearly better than Langford, it still took an injury to Langford before he lost his job. I think it was like week 3 of that season, but the Bears were still trotting Langford out there ahead of Howard to start the season.

This might be an ideal season to track this with the RB situations in CLE, SEA, DET, and WSH.

tlance · Aug 18, 2018

averagejoe said:
This is excellent reasoning.
However, production always wins out.
And with rookie salaries, their investment is relatively minimal/common.

Maybe this is a poor comparison but Jeremy Langford (high 4th round pick) was supposed to be the starter but Jordan Howard (5th round pick) was simply better and took over as the starter by season's end.
Just can't see a coaching staff deliberately trotting out the less impressive back just because of draft stock.
If anything, a higher pick will may simply stick around longer because of where he was drafted. But that's no lock for touches.

This s all true.

Also, if the Redskins thought Perine was good enough, the would not have drafted Guice. This isn't nearly the same as the Penny/Carson situation.

But even then, Joe is 100% correct. The coach will play the guy who gives them the best chance to win games. It takes more than just talent to succeed as an NFL back. Perine has some major flaws.

SmokingMonkey · Aug 18, 2018

tlance said:
Also, if the Redskins thought Perine was good enough, the would not have drafted Guice. This isn't nearly the same as the Penny/Carson situation.

If the Seahawks thought Carson was good enough, they wouldn't have drafted penny

Just penny more of a lock to get a crack since he was a 1st round pick

HaroldSeattle · Aug 18, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
If the Seahawks thought Carson was good enough, they wouldn't have drafted penny

Just penny more of a lock to get a crack since he was a 1st round pick

Seahawks RBs Corp was a mash unit, that included Carson. Reason enough to draft another good RB.

TREFF · Aug 18, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Seahawks RBs Corp was a mash unit, that included Carson. Reason enough to draft another good RB.

Reason enough to draft a RB, or 2 or 3, in RDS 2-7..not reason enough to draft one in the first, especially with glaring holes along the line and throughout the D.

Anywhere else can be reasonably argued as depth, or competition, in the first, that's an intended replacement, no other way to look at it

tlance · Aug 19, 2018

SmokingMonkey said:
If the Seahawks thought Carson was good enough, they wouldn't have drafted penny

Just penny more of a lock to get a crack since he was a 1st round pick

Big difference, IMO.

Carson was not a player they invested in, and he was injured. It was very unclear what his status would be at the time of the draft. Also, Pete Carrol has a history of ignoring $/investment in players and playing the best guy.

Perine, on the other hand was a mid round pick last year. Given all the glaring holes for the Skins, they would not have invested an early pick in a RB if they had any confidence whatsoever in the RB they invested in just last season.

Perine does have more talent than Kelley. But as I have said, I would be shocked if either back emerges as a playable fantasy RB. Just look at TDs for the "feature back" in Washington since Gruden took over. Not pretty.

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