Meyer is getting screwed

TrustMeIamRight said:

Ok — let me ask you this — say that there is no report that says he was arrested, only a domestic violence report with no box checked. What does that change?

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It changes the entire premise of the initial story. Which went from being reported as McMurphy having a police report that involved a felony arrest. Which was changed to an arrest. Later edited to investigation. Who knows what his next edit will be. But it seriously has to make you question the original source. As well as the entire situation at this point. Until the actual investigation is over there are no facts

TheRobotDevil said:

You're basing this on a social media report that has been changed multiple times? I would like to think our legal system is more reliable. Than Social media.....You're assuming Meyers knew more than he may have imo. What was your opinion on the SC incident last year?

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Why is is so out of the question Meyers knew what kind of man Smith is? By all accounts He's known him since he was a kid. He might not know the exact details of every incident but he knew about incidents while he was with him at florida and if all the reports from OSU faithful are correct everyone knew that relationship was volatile. I've had people work under me , you tend to know a lot about them and their home life and these guys families all knew each other. Now I'm not saying Meyer should be burned at the stake but I find it highly doubtfull he didn't know this guy was bad news and shouldn't have been on his staff. Why is that so hard for people who defend him to admit that its probably accurate.
What SC incident? I'm numb to all thats happened at SC in the past 10 years so be more specific.

WizardHawk said:

This is another one of your red herring nonsense posts.

I'm saying CLEAR AS FUCK that I question the credibility of every damned person involved in this case. ALL OF THEM. 100%. I can't possibly be more clear. We won't have the evidence to support any theory or gut feeling until the report comes out. That will happen soon and then the follow up to that where whatever they put out there gets responded to. THEN we will have some level of clarity on all these murky things.

You can keep talking out both sides of your ass and say you are waiting for the report... while also saying who is lying before it comes out, but I simply choose not to play that game.

Snook appears to have made an erroneous story making claims fully refuted. Meyer could have made this all have gone away from it started by being truthful or simply saying nothing. McMurphy shouldn't release a story he isn't able to handle without an editorial board and clearly did some questionable things. Courtney has reasons to not be honest, even if that isn't proof. Zack and his OVI as well as the other proven incidents makes him questionable at best. Courtney's mom is all over the map on credibility.

The whole damned thing is a complete fuster cluck. We won't KNOW the answers to most questions until after the report.

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Funny Ive said the same thing from the start. I could point out how hypocritical this statement is. But I'm staying on topic.Also odd that you're reason McMurphy would fabricate this story would be "He has it out for Urban". When simple logic would say it would be for monetary gain and his new job....You'll credit the reporter that edited his story. And discount Snook.Yet theres no Bias? When theres clear double standards.

If you want to give McMurphy too much credit and believe everything you read. Thats on you. But I already told you Im waiting for actual facts.....

socaljim242 said:

Why is is so out of the question Meyers knew what kind of man Smith is? By all accounts He's known him since he was a kid. He might not know the exact details of every incident but he knew about incidents while he was with him at florida and if all the reports from OSU faithful are correct everyone knew that relationship was volatile. I've had people work under me , you tend to know a lot about them and their home life and these guys families all knew each other. Now I'm not saying Meyer should be burned at the stake but I find it highly doubtfull he didn't know this guy was bad news and shouldn't have been on his staff. Why is that so hard for people who defend him to admit that its probably accurate.
What SC incident? I'm numb to all thats happened at SC in the past 10 years so be more specific.

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Why are you so set on believing Meyers knew everything that was going on?Thats jumping to a pretty big conclusion based on opinion and assumption...

The Boermeester DV incident just last year.

TheRobotDevil said:

Why are you so set on believing Meyers knew everything that was going on?Thats jumping to a pretty big conclusion based on opinion and assumption...

The Boermeester DV incident just last year.

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Where did I say I believe Meyers knew everything that was going on?. Point it out where I said that in what I just wrote above. After you show me that we can discuss more. But you just blatantly did what you accuse the reporter of doing.

TheRobotDevil said:

Why are you so set on believing Meyers knew everything that was going on?Thats jumping to a pretty big conclusion based on opinion and assumption...

The Boermeester DV incident just last year.

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As far as Boermeester goes I think USC handled it correctly. I think they have a hot n cold relationship and rather than get sued later if she ends up injured they got rid of the toxic relationship. Now they are free to do what they wish to each other .

socaljim242 said:

Where did I say I believe Meyers knew everything that was going on?. Point it out where I said that in what I just wrote above. After you show me that we can discuss more. But you just blatantly did what you accuse the reporter of doing.

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socaljim242 said:

And like there were no signs of his behavior before that. lol
Hey your coach abused his wife but she doesn't want to press charges. Urban- Oh OK tell him to be back at work Monday.
You'd think after him getting arrested in 2009 any hint of that would have had him gone.

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You've insinuated Meyers knew well more than once.....We could be here all night. You've also cited McMurphys stories as fact. When the police reports McMurphy claimed were edited because they weren't there....

TheRobotDevil said:

It changes the entire premise of the initial story. Which went from being reported as McMurphy having a police report that involved a felony arrest. Which was changed to an arrest. Later edited to investigation. Who knows what his next edit will be. But it seriously has to make you question the original source. As well as the entire situation at this point. Until the actual investigation is over there are no facts

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It changes absolutely nothing, because Meyer said:
“I was never told about anything, nothing ever came to light, never had a conversation about it, so I know nothing”.

Are you saying if the question left out ‘arrest’ — he would have said — Oh yeah, I remember that incident, I reported it to the proper people at OSU and he was cleared of all wrong doing?!?

Come on — no one, not even the biggest OSU homer, is dumb enough to believe that. It is the reason he put out the PR response the next day saying he lied, because he knew it’d come back to bite him once it all started coming out that he knew, not only about 2015, but 2009 too, and most likely, 2017. He paid a lot of money for the statement released to make sure he covered all his bases. Whether the initial report was blank or said arrest doesn’t change anything. Hell, if anything, the 2nd report looks worse because it has him listed for two felonies, while the initial report had two misdemeanors listed.

This is why I said it is ridiculous to argue over something that changes nothing. It is no different than Snook saying Herman leaked it and now Herman said he had absolutely nothing to do with it, yet Snook won’t say his source. So does all OSU fans now look at Snook as a hack because he called out Herman with no evidence?

Let it play itself out. Meyer knows he f’ed up, he tried to correct it and if he did what he said — he should be cleared of wrong doing. Zach Smith can go play on traffic. If anyone other than Smith gets canned, it will most likely be the AD and whoever handles compliance issues. Meyer didn’t beat a woman — he lied, who cares. As long as he isn’t lying about tell OSU, they should reinstate him immediately.

socaljim242 said:

As far as Boermeester goes I think USC handled it correctly. I think they have a hot n cold relationship and rather than get sued later if she ends up injured they got rid of the toxic relationship. Now they are free to do what they wish to each other .

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And the reports at the time were insisting SC mishandled it. If we went by the reports Boermeester never beat Katz it wasn't DV it was "horseplay". SC was wrong because they didnt hand over reports they couldn't..That were proven to be true in court. Now do yo see why we shouldn't just bo be "media" reports?

Its actually quite interesting comparing the opinions people had back then to this case

TrustMeIamRight said:

no evidence

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Key words....Also something a journalist should have before jumping the gun and making claims on social media

TheRobotDevil said:

You've insinuated Meyers knew well more than once.....We could be here all night. You've also cited McMurphys stories as fact. When the police reports McMurphy claimed were edited because they weren't there....

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I incinuated Meyers knew what kind of man Smith was. Ive not mentioned McMurphy.

TheRobotDevil said:

And the reports at the time were insisting SC mishandled it. If we went by the reports Boermeester never beat Katz it wasn't DV it was "horseplay". SC was wrong because they didnt hand over reports they couldn't..That were proven to be true in court. Now do yo see why we shouldn't just bo be "media" reports?

Its actually quite interesting comparing the opinions people had back then to this case

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I have the same opinion about the USC case as I did when he got let go. Better to let those two do what they want away from USC .Here you have a boss keeping a family friend in a job when he most likey knew he was trouble.
But you are still not answering where you come up with me saying Meyer knew everything that was going on with those two. Im still asking you.
And as far as that reporter goes Im not takeing every word as gospel because a lot of what he got was from the wife .But we cant take what Meyer says as gospel because he's lied. The husband Smith isnt worth listening to. The police are a bunch of fuck ups because both of these people should have been arrested for a number of things.

socaljim242 said:

I incinuated Meyers knew what kind of man Smith was. Ive not mentioned McMurphy.

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I could quote other posts where you mention McMurphy. But thinking Meyers knew the complete nature of the story and relationship. Which appeared to be extremely chaotic. Based on statements by either of the Smiths or "police" reports that show no arrests. Would be jumping to a conclusion. At the moment this whole incident is based on careless reporting and assumption. How do we know Courtney and Zach weren't in a situation similar to this?
THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

That Meyers had no clue what they were actually going through?That there isn't truth to Courtney wanting payback etc.....Withut the actual investigative report we don't....All we know what has been reported and edited repeatedly

TheRobotDevil said:

Key words....Also something a journalist should have before jumping the gun and making claims on social media

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As I said — it changes absolutely nothing. The whole argument is semantics, but the response from Meyer wouldn’t have changed during Media Day. Whether he was arrested or not — it still had to be reported to OSU. The fact it ws multiple times, means it should have been reported multiple times.

That’s why they are investigating the school. The real question will be — why was Smith employed after the 2015 incident if she was granted a restraining order. Why was he still employed after a court ordered personal protection was issued, where they found her in ‘clear and imminent danger’.

If Meyer reported it as he said — he should be free and clear. May get a slap on the wrist for not firing him sooner. It is the AD and compliance office who will see heads roll.

socaljim242 said:

I have the same opinion about the USC case as I did when he got let go. Better to let those two do what they want away from USC .Here you have a boss keeping a family friend in a job when he most likey knew he was trouble.
But you are still not answering where you come up with me saying Meyer knew everything that was going on with those two. Im still asking you.
And as far as that reporter goes Im not takeing every word as gospel because a lot of what he got was from the wife .But we cant take what Meyer says as gospel because he's lied. The husband Smith isnt worth listening to. The police are a bunch of fuck ups because both of these people should have been arrested for a number of things.

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And the right people were let go whether it be Boermeester or Smith. We cant just blame the police or blame Urban without facts. We don't know what he knew or what procedures he followed at this point. But we're getting back to double standards. And believing a source that lacks credibility at this point

TrustMeIamRight said:

As I said — it changes absolutely nothing. The whole argument is semantics, but the response from Meyer wouldn’t have changed during Media Day. Whether he was arrested or not — it still had to be reported to OSU. The fact it ws multiple times, means it should have been reported multiple times.

That’s why they are investigating the school. The real question will be — why was Smith employed after the 2015 incident if she was granted a restraining order. Why was he still employed after a court ordered personal protection was issued, where they found her in ‘clear and imminent danger’.

If Meyer reported it as he said — he should be free and clear. May get a slap on the wrist for not firing him sooner. It is the AD and compliance office who will see heads roll.

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The difference between a felony arrest and an arrest is a major difference. An investigation is a massive difference. It changes quite a bit....Harbs allowed Grant Perry to play following a DV arrest...

TheRobotDevil said:

Funny Ive said the same thing from the start.

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Only when it's convenient. You then also talk about things as though they are fact that are indeed not proven as such.

I could point out how hypocritical this statement is.

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Nope, not one bit. At all.

But I'm staying on topic.

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lol, yeah again only when it suits you.

Also odd that you're reason McMurphy would fabricate this story would be "He has it out for Urban". When simple logic would say it would be for monetary gain and his new job....You'll credit the reporter that edited his story. And discount Snook.Yet theres no Bias? When theres clear double standards.

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I created no such narrative. ATF and other bucknuts have raised that over and over again. What you have read about me saying ANYTHING about that is entirely in a response to those raised points. Period. I have ZERO preconceived notions about what actually happened, more or less why. And that's an entirely consistent fact I've stuck to through this entire thing.

If you want to give McMurphy too much credit and believe everything you read. Thats on you. But I already told you Im waiting for actual facts.....

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More complete bullshit.

Show me where I've given McMurphy 'too much credit'. Prove your work. I haven't given him credit for a damned thing. Not one.

This is the same pure bullshit ATF tries. And it won't work for him either.

There is a BIG difference between saying I simply need more proof before calling someone a liar and saying I entirely believe him. Those are NOT the same thing. AT ALL. So stop pretending I've said he is for sure telling the truth, because I've also said over and over and OVER and OvEr and oVeR again that I'll be right here throwing stones if he is indeed found to have lied or otherwise grossly mishandled the story more than currently accused. I've also said he's a hack and made many mistakes. That it NOT at all someone biased toward him in any way.

How are you clowns not getting that?

If you put 10 possible reasons for the whole arrested box checked thing on a paper and asked someone to rank the likelihood of each from most to least likely, I'd have "Lied and it never existed" as the least likely. That doesn't mean I'm telling anyone he for sure didn't lie because there are almost no known facts in this thing. And that's ALL I've said.

TheRobotDevil said:

The difference between a felony arrest and an arrest is a major difference. An investigation is a massive difference. It changes quite a bit....Harbs allowed Grant Perry to play following a DV arrest...

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The initial report which was said arrest actually said it was a misdemeanor. The report released by Powell PD in response to the story had it listed as a felony domestic abuse.

Once again though — whether it said arrest or investigated changes nothing — both have to be reported to OSU and Meyer literally said he knew nothing and never even heard about it.

That’s why OSU is getting investigated. If Meyer had said — yeah, we reported it to the proper people and it has been dealt with. Nothing would have happened. When he played dumb, he opened up OSU to this investigation as it came out he knew from text messages.

TheRobotDevil said:

The difference between a felony arrest and an arrest is a major difference. An investigation is a massive difference. It changes quite a bit....Harbs allowed Grant Perry to play following a DV arrest...

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Also — Perry was suspended for 3 weeks (2 games) before he was re-I stayed once he took a plea. The charge was resisting arrest.

TrustMeIamRight said:

Also — Perry was suspended for 3 weeks (2 games) before he was re-I stayed once he took a plea. The charge was resisting arrest.

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Zero tolerance applies to student athletes. USC dropped Joseph Lewis a top end WR following DV charges. So by your standard its ok for Harbs to suspend Perry for a DV "arrest" and allow him back on the team. But Urban is held to another standard over a coach who is not a student athlete. And no police report for an Arrest?